I have had an experience with a top teacher, Regional Assistant Teacher, and Center Manager acting in ways very disturbing to the path. Later I saw clearly that they were controlled by Mara or had energy in the Mara realm, may be interested in making very difficult Sankhara. How can a serious student navigate these dangers to reach liberation? If the Sangha has lies, killing beings, Traps students and Practitioner s in a the type of life a student of Buddha seeks to be free from? Are these dangers in monks? Can we admit and face what influence we have acting upon us or act out ourselves or will this lead to more ego I am, I am not... Etc. More confusion and controversy.

  • Good to think about why one meets such, goes after such, as such is a matter of Upanissaya. Cunda Sutta. Why does one seek for Dhamma among businnes and trade. Look there disciples quote even without giving reputation. – Samana Johann Sep 4 '19 at 23:40

There have always been bad men robed as monks. If we have clear moral discernment, we will avoid them.

  1. There are many evil characters and uncontrolled men wearing the saffron robe. These wicked men will be born in states of woe because of their evil deeds.

  2. It would be better to swallow a red-hot iron ball, blazing like fire, than as an immoral and uncontrolled monk to eat the alms of the people.


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Be committed to the path. The solution lies in the quality of consciousness. Just like Metta Sutta says that Metta drives off anger or angry people, you keep investing time and energy in spiritual advancement and you will have no problems with any kind of negative people.

"Neither fire, poison, nor weapons can touch one." -- Metta (Mettanisamsa) Sutta: Good Will

I have been living in ashram in India for two years. There have been many deviations from teachers instructions, cheating, politics and hinderances imposed by neophyte students. The best is to be committed to your path so if someone becomes bad or whole Sanga crashes, you will still be on the path making spiritual advancement.

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  • And become red... – Samana Johann Sep 5 '19 at 11:46
  • What's red? It that an acronym? – Marino Klisovich Sep 5 '19 at 11:56
  • Yes: affection, love, hate, blood, fire, marxism, communism: in short Mara within the sangh(khara).. But usually they would see them burning and promoting it. – Samana Johann Sep 5 '19 at 12:40
  • I think that's @SamanaJohann commenting on (reacting to, disliking) the colour of your avatar. – ChrisW Sep 5 '19 at 13:28
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    Doesn't make sense. – Marino Klisovich Sep 5 '19 at 16:02

How could Mara ever be part of the Sangha. Mara is always that which opposes the Buddha, the Dhamma and Sangha. Good to think to who one is actually related and serves. Those oppose the elders and wise?

Not so smart seek for friends and enemies outside first, are incapable to trace their intentions and related effects, wouldn't like to get in touch with mirrors, would be able to trace Mara within their heart and actually fight themselves, not knowing the way in. So here you are, right in the host of Mara, working for him, cheating your self, a mind of Devadatta. Envy, aversive, greedy, upvoting gains of your stand, down-voting mirrors, capable to kill even your mother, father, Arahats, harming the Juwels and splitt holly apart. Total caught by Mara, not a little right view left for release.

"What one is after, there one arrives": so wise to think about oneself (althought telling fools 1000 times would not protect them)

What one feeds, feeded, one gains, so smart to always look for oneself whether greed, aversion or delusion gives one excuses to take part on Maras feeds...

It's not possible to help them strongly related to Mara, those attached to gain and stand.

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And it should be not an issue if those rejoicing on gains in the world attain of what they desire. They do their best according to their "wisdom".

So good to rejoice with them, appreciate that they wouldn't have such success if not certain related merits in the world had been done in the past.

Anger and envy just feed off you own possibilities and would anyhow not lighten your debts to be bond to the fools giving into Mara. The place where you can move on to Upekkha: "Beings are heirs of their kamma." & " Beings gather together, again and again, on an element, on similar tendencies and preferances of food:

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So why not joining the merits as one not willing to leave home and stand wouldn't meet those having anyway?

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One gains what one feeds, stays with what nurishing on, and neither holder not pig are to be claimed to be the bad part, as things are matters of will, choices.

You may find your wished interpretation on https://suttacentral.net , given to use for trade and exchange. "Come! it's easy, free, we did the work for you...and help you to become free (another ophan)."

Called the debaucher, temper, he, "The Evil (in you)" takes any change to lead people by there delusion, greed and anger, to destroy their families, destroy traditions, unity and to use Dhamma in corrupt ways for the sake of conflicts, unease, and to splitt the Sangha, splitt off those who follow the elders, for his gain, himself caught and full of defilements.

[of course not given for trade and exchange but for release for those wuth eyes and releted toward release form the wheel of masters and slaves]

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