Timeline for (Why) did the Buddha teach rebirth?
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| Jul 6, 2021 at 14:07 | history | edited | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 19, 2018 at 1:17 | comment | added | user8619 | Pertinent to this answer, though, apparently there are Buddhist traditions (e.g. Zen per the link) that do not require a belief in rebirth, so presumably these traditions do not see any logical inconsistencies. That Buddhism can still have its soteriological effects, both with and without a belief in rebirth IMHO makes it all the more powerful. | |
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| May 17, 2018 at 2:01 | comment | added | user8619 | @ChrisW what you said about asking a separate question makes sense. | |
| May 16, 2018 at 12:14 | comment | added | user13375 | @avatarKorra Perhaps you should rewind your edit of this question as ChrisW has said and ask a separate question so that people are not confused when visiting this OP and seeing the questions/answers not align... | |
| May 16, 2018 at 8:59 | comment | added | ChrisW♦ | @avatarKorra You might ask a separate question. Currently you're asking, "how (if it all) does rebirth (or a lack of faith in rebirth) affect one's understanding of the three characteristics?" A slightly separate question (but which might be closer to the question you want to ask) is, "Is it possible to understand and benefit from the doctrine of the three characteristics, without holding a belief in rebirth?" I guess the answers are, "Yes, faith in rebirth has some effects on the doctrines, and, yes it's possible to (many people do) also make sense of the doctrine even without that belief." | |
| May 16, 2018 at 3:07 | comment | added | user8619 |
He says You take these matters on faith until you can confirm them for yourself. which troubles me. Faith in Buddhism as I understand it, is confirming things for yourself before you believe them.
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| May 16, 2018 at 3:03 | comment | added | user8619 | @YesheTenley thank you for your generous answer and directing me to the article. It may answer my questions. What concerns me, is that something is repeated so many times that one believes it without question, and may argue from a place that already assumes it to be true. | |
| May 16, 2018 at 2:03 | comment | added | user8619 |
@YesheTenley I think there are obvious logical problems and inconsistencies that present if you deny the truth of rebirth. ... Those hypothetical problems that follow, to my knowledge, weren't addressed by the word of the Buddha, nor do I know if they are even fundamental enough to ponder. My concern is more with how would the core teachings e.g. 4 Noble Truths, Emptiness, or Causality, fail to make sense without belief in rebirth.
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| May 15, 2018 at 20:05 | history | edited | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 15, 2018 at 13:49 | comment | added | user13375 | Ok, I've edited #2 to reflect this understanding as best I'm capable. | |
| May 15, 2018 at 13:48 | history | edited | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 15, 2018 at 13:45 | comment | added | ChrisW♦ | @YesheTenley Indeed. Dhammadhatu points to "pubbenivāsa" which is used in that phrase, and says that should be translated as "past abodes" rather than like "past lives", and that it's about self-views. One of his habits on this site is to say so, whenever the topic of rebirth comes up, and to downvote every answer which doesn't say the same. See also these topics, and/or he recommended this essay. | |
| May 15, 2018 at 13:30 | comment | added | user13375 | @Dhammadhatu I was referring to accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.036.than.html where it is quoted as, "I directed it to the knowledge of recollecting my past lives. I recollected my manifold past lives, i.e., one birth, two...five, ten...fifty, a hundred, a thousand, a hundred thousand, many eons of cosmic contraction, many eons of cosmic expansion, many eons of cosmic contraction & expansion" ... what is your understanding of this sutta? | |
| May 15, 2018 at 13:08 | comment | added | Dhamma Dhatu | Your patience is excellent. Well done! As for the Buddha, he did not experience any "past lives", as confirmed by this proper translation of SN 22.79: suttacentral.net/sn22.79/en/bodhi Regards | |
| May 15, 2018 at 13:06 | history | edited | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Reflect other understandings of rebirth on this site
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| May 15, 2018 at 13:02 | comment | added | user13375 | Ok, i will try to reflect this understanding in my list and edit it to be clear that the part about westerners is my only reflective of my own experience/opinion. Do you regard the Buddha teaching about the knowledge he gained of his past lives during his night of awakening as similar descriptions of self-views that took place in Siddhartha's regular mortal life? I only ask as a point of clarification and not to try and challenge your understanding... | |
| May 15, 2018 at 12:58 | comment | added | Dhamma Dhatu | The answer neglected the 're-birth' the Buddha taught, which is the production of self-views that give birth to the idea of self; as described in many suttas, such as SN 22.81, which says: "The uninstructed assumes form, feeling, perception, formations, consciousness to be self. That assumption is a fabrication. Now what is the cause, what is the origination, what is the birth, what is the coming-into-existence of that fabrication? To an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person, touched by that which is felt born of contact with ignorance, craving arises. That fabrication is born of that. " | |
| May 15, 2018 at 12:52 | comment | added | user13375 | What kind of edit would you suggest to the answer to improve it? | |
| May 15, 2018 at 12:45 | comment | added | user13375 | @Dhammadhatu can you explain what you mean by "the reality of rebirth?" I really would like to understand what you are saying | |
| May 15, 2018 at 12:30 | comment | added | Dhamma Dhatu | I scored this answer down because it did not once mention the reality of rebirth. | |
| May 14, 2018 at 14:54 | history | edited | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 14, 2018 at 12:57 | history | answered | user13375 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |