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Is there anything of value in any world? I feel incapable of conceiving of a world with a single valuable thing in.

there is no wisdom and there is no attainment whatsoever

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  • The statement sounds enlightened. Commented May 11 at 5:01
  • There is no inherently existing or objectively real wisdom or attainment (as a thing). There is of course wisdom and attainment. The Buddha's teachings are all very valuable amongst so many other things that so many people find valuable. TThings that are held to be objectively exist or that are held to be existing through their own being by different views- to those things the response- no this, no that is given. There is a screen existing in front of you (who is existing) and so on. Buddhism says the appearance of things existing is different to how they exist- not that nothing exists. Commented May 11 at 9:19
  • i am not saying that "nothing exists", just suggesting that the "no" means "no", in some important way. idk what you mean by "thing" @HomagetoManjushri myself., i mean "thing" as something that can have a value predicated of it, but that's just how i feel rn, nothing important
    – user25078
    Commented May 11 at 9:44
  • I am not sure what do you define as of value. The emptiness alluded in the Heart Sutra requires a level of wisdom that is transcendental to penetrate and understand. Otherwise, to grasp the concepts wrongly creates more harm. Note not meant to offend anyone but emptiness or sunyata is an advanced concept.
    – Desmon
    Commented May 11 at 14:05
  • oh, i see what you mean @Desmon dunno, i usually think the perfections have value, but now idk.
    – user25078
    Commented May 11 at 16:32

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I'm not sure I understand the question -- because the suttas are full of dichotomies:

  • dukkha and sukha
  • skilful and unskilful
  • harmless and harmful
  • right and wrong

That's one of the things I like about them, and find them different from other doctrines, and valuable -- they're specific, prescriptive, purposeful, and humane; and not supernatural, so they're evident and "in this world" -- compared with for example Taoism, or Deism, which may be more "ineffable".


Another answer: money (for example) is "valuable", to the extent that it has a "purpose" -- i.e. that you can use it to obtain something else.

On that basis, i.e. that definition of valuable, perhaps everything in AN 11.1 is valuable.


And there's an idiom in English, "virtue is its own reward".

I assume that comes from Seneca, De Vita Beata.

That's not Buddhist -- though there have been several topics about stoicism on this site, including Is there evidence of a Buddhist influence on Greek Stoicism? -- but reading it, for example ...

The highest good lies in the act of choosing her, and in the attitude of the noblest minds, which when once it has fulfilled its function and established itself within its own limits has attained to the highest good, and needs nothing more: for there is nothing outside of the whole, any more than there is anything beyond the end.

... reminds me of Buddhist doctrine, for example that dana and/or "letting go" is an adornment and/or requisite for the mind.

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  • Indeed AN11:1 is about the gradual training. Virtues -> guilt-free -> joy -> rapture -> peace -> concentration -> insight/wisdom -> disenchantment/dispassion -> liberation. Unless a person is exceptionally gifted, trying to skip all the steps and leaping into the wisdom stage is fraught with dangers and problems.
    – Desmon
    Commented May 12 at 8:56
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obstruction has its root in the defilement of confusion, or ignorance, which manifests as mistaking the impermanent for the permanent, the ugly for the beautiful, and suffering for happiness

Maybe those things - permanence, beauty and happiness - exist nowhere, nihilism; but then how can we be free of darkness, if there is no light? It just ceases to matter, because the cycle of rebirth ends. That's what I reckon, anyway: enlightenment is not wisdom but not needing to be wise.

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What has or hasn't value changes like the weather, then last nite I was recovering and deprived of any sleep. Now I became adamant for nothing, which is essentially my simplistic view of deep sleep (although i've read both bliss and ignorance) regardless, now I didn’t want Buddha, nirvana, any god, uniting with dead parents, Brahma heavens,just nothing. So values change. Then it occurred to me, what if wanting nothing keeps getting me deep sleep and rebirth with more deep sleep. but also, if wanting nothing forever (no nothing?, never?, etc) means giving up nothing as an experience? still this is all a bit silly, with or without attainments or wisdom, buddha was teaching living life in a holy way,

For one stranded in the middle of the lake, in the flood of great danger -- birth -- overwhelmed with aging & death, I will tell you the island, Kappa.

http://www.buddhismtoday.com/english/texts/khuddaka/suttanipata/snp5-10.html

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