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Does the alayavijnana exist in the formless realms?

Presuably, if we are reborn there. But there is no matter in the formless realms, so my crazy hypothesis for how my mental stream can reoccur outside my body (action at a distance, of gravity) seems to be disproven if the title question is yes (the alayavijnana does not necessarily include form and mass undergoing the gravitational constant).

For what it's worth, I would think that supposing there is no rebirth without physical mass, then that would suffice to demonstrate that the strangeness of action at a distance (seemingly involved in post-mortem rebirth) itself does not preclude the possibility of rebirth, though of course if the identity of mind with body means this this brain is necessary for my mind, then

  • my mind cannot live without this living brain

Currently, I do not see any other motivation for the claim that death is the end of the citta-santana, but I welcome any correction to that.

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  • formless means no body.(not the world, world exist). Only mind. How this mind exist without body? It's because mind can perceive the world without the body / five senses. These beings can see, hear, ect through the mind. Brain is not necessary to rebirth. These are special cases in the world. Anyone can't just look at them using general knowledge / views.
    – Pycm
    Commented Apr 15 at 13:57
  • I mean according to Buddhism, there's a world without the mind. Only physical body. One may ask, what a nonsense? Then how he get born there? How he die? Do they die? Do they live? All these questions have valid answers in Buddhism. If you are interested.
    – Pycm
    Commented Apr 15 at 14:03

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Part 1)

But there is no matter in the formless realms

No. It's just beings there doesn't have a physical body. (not tiny, not invisible, it's just no physical body).

formless means no body. Only mind. How this mind exist without body?

It's because mind can perceive the world without the body / five senses. These beings can see, hear, ect; through the mind. Brain is not necessary to rebirth. These are special cases in the universe. Anyone can't just look at them using general knowledge / views.

I mean according to Buddhism, there's a world without the mind. Only physical body.

One may ask, what a nonsense? Then how he get born there? How he die? Do they die? Do they live?

All these questions have valid answers in Buddhism.

Part 2)

how my mental stream can reoccur outside my body (action at a distance, of gravity)

This is another story. That's because normally, normal people just don't get to rebirth in these higher realms.

Only people who developed their mind to be equal to the minds of beings there(already living beings in those realms), get born there.

Part 3)

Even though it looks like memories are stored in the brain, it's not. Memories are part of the mind. Otherwise one wouldn't be able to look at past live through Dhayana. Or Karma concept wouldn't be able to manifest.

Thanks 🙏. ☸️.

Questions are welcome.

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  • i think i recall vasubandhu saying there were no elements in the fornless realms. do these only compose the body, not the mountains?
    – user25078
    Commented Apr 18 at 14:55
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    @user66697 if there are no elements n the formless, how can anything be known about this realm?
    – blue_ego
    Commented Apr 18 at 20:50
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    I mean no normal person ever see them. Only a mind is developed to be equal or higher will see them. Normal mind can't even see a lesser god; yet alone to see a person from Brahmas.
    – Pycm
    Commented Apr 19 at 1:18
  • the seeds, right.
    – user25078
    Commented Apr 19 at 1:21
  • What? What do you mean by seeds?
    – Pycm
    Commented Apr 19 at 1:22

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