What did the Buddha mean in AN 5.38. when he said:

“Mendicants, a faithful gentleman gets five benefits. What five? The good persons in the world show compassion first to the faithful, not so much to the unfaithful. They first approach the faithful, not so much the unfaithful. They first receive alms from the faithful, not so much the unfaithful. They first teach Dhamma to the faithful, not so much the unfaithful. When their body breaks up, after death, the faithful are reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm. A faithful gentleman gets these five benefits.

Emphasis mine.

I am trying to discern what this means with reference to the answers for the word upapajjati in this question which discussed the meaning of the word which is being translated here. Also, what did the Buddha mean when referring to the "break up of the body, after death" and has that been correctly translated?

  • I note that your question is tagged "theravada" and Gabe's answer is appropriate to that point of view. But as you no doubt know, the Theravadan view isn't the only way of looking at what the Buddha taught. More specifically, since Sanskrit scholar Joanna Jurewicz has been working to decode early teachings in Vedism, a fresh look at the way the Buddha taught, as derived from the early Vedic style, makes for a slightly different understanding of what he taught. If your interest is only in the Theravadan take on his teachings, this may not be of any interest to you. – Linda Blanchard May 2 at 17:28
  • Hello Linda, I am happy to have informed answers even if they do not come from an active Theravada practitioner, but I am mostly interested in answers from practicing Buddhists of some tradition. That said, if there is an interesting academic answer here that would inform Buddhist practice that would be welcome. – Yeshe Tenley May 2 at 21:32
  • Traditions start somewhere. Do you consider Secular Buddhism to have enough gravitas to provide an answer? I've been a practicing Buddhist for over 30 years, and the answer I'd offer has had aspects published in the Journal of Oxford Buddhist Studies under the editorship of Professor Gombrich. – Linda Blanchard May 3 at 21:41
  • By all means go ahead :) – Yeshe Tenley May 4 at 0:26
  • Thanks, Yeshe Tenley, I will. My first attempt first became a detailed short story, then a novella, then a novel, and was heading for trilogy when I thought better of it. I am now working on a different take that should be shorter. – Linda Blanchard May 15 at 4:14

You can find the Pali words on Sutta Central:

... saddho kāyassa bhedā paraṁ maraṇā sugatiṁ saggaṁ lokaṁ upapajjati ...

To answer your question, I think the text has been correctly translated. The translated word “breaks” corresponds to "bhedā". For this context see notes from the PTS:

"Abl. bhedā after the destruction or dissolution in phrase kāyassa bhedā param maraṇā, i.e. after the breaking up of the body & after death: see kāya I. e. & cp. D. III, 52, 146 sq. , 258; Dh. 140; Pug. 51"

The other words roughly correspond to paraṁ=after, maraṇā=death, sugatiṃ=good (destination), saggaṃ and lokaṃ can be taken indepently but together they roughly translation to "heavenly region", upapajjati=reborn.

Again see notes for uppajjati in relation to saggaṁ and lokaṁ:

Upapajjati, (doubtful whether a legitimate form as upa + pad or a diaeretic form of uppajjati = ud + pad. In this case all passages ought to go under the latter. Trenckner however (Notes 77) defends upa° & considers in many cases upp° a substitution for upa. The diaeresis may be due to metre, as nearly all forms are found in poetry. The v. l. upp° is apparently frequent; but it is almost impossible to distinguish between upap° and upp° in the Sinhalese writing, and either the scribe or the reader may mistake one for the other) to get to, be reborn in (Acc.); to originate, rise Vin. III, 20 (nirayaṃ); A. III, 415; V, 292 sq.; Sn. 584; It. 13 (nirayaṃ), 14 (sugatiṃ; v. l. upp°), 67 (saggaṃ lokaṃ; v. l. upp°); ... PTS

A similar verse occurs in the Dhammapada:

atha vassa agarani aggi dahati pavako kayassa bheda duppabbo nirayaj so 'papajjati
(DhP 140)
bheda: bheda-, N.m.: breaking, disunion. Abl.Sg. = bheda. The phrase kayassa bheda- ("disunion of the body") means "death" in the Pali texts.


Your question has two parts: What did the Buddha mean, and is the phrase "breakup of the body, after death" correctly translated. It seems clear that the latter is correct, and a defense of a positive answer has already been given by Gabe, so I won't address that.

"What did the Buddha mean" can only be a matter of opinion, since none of us is able to directly hear his thinking or ask him, but it is possible to look at the sutta for some answers, and consider the larger context of his talks in other suttas, to try to understand why he says what he says in AN 5.38.

What I notice about AN 5.38 is that

  1. We aren't told who is speaking, but we might well assume it's the Buddha.
  2. The talk is not a deep one as would be given to long-time monastics, and it is not being given to the clansmen (using Bodhi's translation of kulaputta).
  3. Four of the five points address what benefits accrue to the clansmen.
  4. The point that doesn't follow the main pattern seems to be addressing a benefit to the monastics, not to the "clansmen endowed with faith". It is that the monastics get alms from a person of faith.

Assuming it's the Buddha speaking, it's worth noting that it's not a deep dharma talk illuminating the finer points of his teaching. It appears to be a talk about why regular folk ("clansmen") who have faith are wise to have faith, and as such it would be addressed to new monastics, not long-time, experienced monks. One needs to question why the Buddha would be instructing inexperienced monks on the reasons the faith of clansmen is beneficial. That one of the five points he lists is of benefit to the monks might then give us a clue -- why should the monastics be kind to faithful clansmen? for alms!

Why then are these monks being told what benefit faith has for the clansmen? What do monastics do to gain alms from clansmen? They offer teachings. What teaching might novice monastics give to clansmen? How about a talk on why their faith is of benefit to them: It's because, dear clansmen, you'll get compassion from others, you'll get such a good reputation people will come to you, you'll get taught dhamma before anyone without faith does, you'll get a good rebirth, and (monastic holds out his bowl), you're known to be generous.

It is worth noting that when the Buddha speaks to individuals he encounters (not speaking of his devoted monastics here), he speaks to them addressing their concerns and without making dogmatic statements about what they should believe. He often enough points out the obvious consequences of what they believe, but he doesn't, for example, go around telling people they are just wrong to think that behaving like a dog will get them reborn as a dog in dog heaven, or even that there is no "self" -- he never says that. But he does point out the ways the behavior their thinking inspires in them leads to trouble, or that there is no discernible self to be found that matches what determined a "self" in their times -- that it was a separate thing, eternal, changeless. What he does do is address an individual's concern from within that individual's own worldview, pointing out any obvious flaws in the consequences of their thinking. He takes pains not to argue. He even says this.

In MN 18.4 he says, "Friend, I assert and proclaim [my teaching] in such a way that one does not quarrel with anyone in the world with its gods, its Maras, and its Brahmas, in this generation with its recluses and brahmins, its princes and its people; in such a way that perceptions no more underlie that brahmin who abides detached from sensual pleasures, without perplexity, shorn of worry, free from craving for any kind of being." SN 22.94 opens with "Bhikkhus, I do not dispute with the world; rather it is the world that disputes with me."

It seems apparent, to me at least, that in this sutta he is giving his monastics directions to go out and do what he does: give a teaching that fits within their worldview as to the reasons faith is worthwhile. Their worldview includes the belief that good behavior in this life leads to a better rebirth. If the world works the way they think it does, then this, too, would be a benefit of their faith. That doesn't mean the Buddha is sure that rebirth is the cosmic order. Even if he did, he would not say so because he'd be quoted on that and that would lead to 'proclaiming his teaching in such a way that he quarrels with the world'.

I do note that there are places in the suttas where he does seem to suggest that he has had direct experiences of his past lives. Why he does that would be part of a much larger, longer discussion. I further note that he sometimes tells people where their loved ones will be reborn after death. He himself answers why he does this, in MN 68.8-9.

"What do you think, Anuruddha? What purpose does the Tathagata see that when a disciple has died, he declares his reappearance thus: 'So-and-so has reappeared in such-and-such a place...'?"

"Anuruddha, it is not for the purpose of scheming to deceive people or for the purpose of flattering people or for the purpose of gain, honour, or renown, or with the thought, 'Let people know me to be thus,' that when a disciple has died, the Tathagata declares his reappearance... Rather, it is because there are faithful clansmen inspired and gladdened by what is lofty, who when they hear that, direct their minds to such a state, and that leads to their welfare and happiness for a long time."

  • "That doesn't mean the Buddha is sure that rebirth is the cosmic order." If you read MN 60, you'll see that he was actually sure of it. – Danilo yesterday
  • @Danilo: Two noteworthy points about it: 1. it is the only place in all the suttas that the Buddha makes such a dogmatic statement, which makes it suspect on that point alone. 2. As Thanissaro Bhikkhu notes in his own subtle way in his translation of that sutta, the statement I'm calling the lone dogmatic one breaks the logic of the sutta by not being safe bet arguments. He says "It is noteworthy that the arguments in A2 and B2 are not safe-bet arguments, for they assume that A is wrong and B is right. Whether these arguments date from the Buddha or were added at a later date, no one knows." – Linda Blanchard yesterday
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    @Yeshe Tenley. I didn't judge it as inauthentic "simply because it contradicts my position." I did so for the two reasons listed. – Linda Blanchard 20 hours ago
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    @YesheTenley Those arguments (i.e. "this is the only sutta where that's said", and, "that doesn't fit within the logic of this sutta") were among the arguments detailed in the paper which was referenced in this answer. That was a different topic entirely, but it shows that is a kind of argument which some modern scholars make, or a kind of argument available to scholars, to assess whether a element of doctrine might be original or perhaps added at some later date. – ChrisW 19 hours ago
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    @Linda Blanchard, Iti 70-71, MN 130 and MN 143 are a few other examples where you can see that he was actually sure of it. I also see another major misconception in your post when you assume that the monks were instructed to be kind in order to gain almsfood (check AN 5:159 and Ud 6:2) – Danilo 16 hours ago

"Death" ("marana") does not happen to a Buddha (SN 22.85; MN 140; Dhp 21; etc ). The suttas say:

Heedfulness is the path to the Deathless. Heedlessness is the path to death. The heedful die not. The heedless are as if dead already.

Dhp 21

Therefore, the word "death" ("marana") does not mean "physical death" or the "ending of life". In the suttas, the Noble Ones refer to the ending of life as "kālakiriyā" ('completion of time'). "Death" means the death of "a being" (SN 12.2). "A being" is a "self-view" (SN 5.10) or "strong attachment" (SN 23.2).

The word "body" ("kaya") means "collection" of "five aggregates" forming a "self-identity" ("sakkaya") that is the composition of an act of kamma or becoming - refer to MN 44.

The words "sugati" and "sagga" mean "a happy state" in a "happy place". It may not literally mean a heaven in the clouds or on another planet. For example, in SN 35.135, it is said:

You’re fortunate, mendicants, so very fortunate, to have the opportunity to lead the spiritual life.

I’ve seen the heaven (saggā) called ‘the six fields of contact’. There, whatever you experience is likable, not unlikable; desirable, not undesirable; pleasant, not unpleasant.

SN 35.135

Therefore, the meaning of AN 5.38 is: "When the collection of aggregates immersed in faith breaks up, after the death of the self-view of the faithful mind (which can have a temporary fear arise, which is why it is called 'death'), the faithful are reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm, such as in a state of clear light mind samadhi".

But they are not yet an Arahant, which is why "after death" occurs. Therefore, AN 5.38 later says:

They teach them the Dhamma, that dispels all suffering. Understanding this teaching, they’re extinguished without defilements.”

AN 5.38 does not say they teach them "rebirth" because "rebirth" cannot dispel all suffering.


In the Western, Christian world we teach young children that 'Santa Claus' watches over everyone, rewarding good children with presents on Christmas day, and punishing bad children with lumps of coal (and interestingly, no child ever seems to be punished; there are always presents under the tree in the morning...). Say what you like about it, good or bad, but it is what children can understand at their level. Children must grow into more sophisticated moral understandings.

If we read the remainder of the discourse, we find that the faithful person (the good person) becomes a refuge for 'monks, nuns, laywomen, and laymen', the way a great banyan tree at a crossroads becomes a refuge for birds and animals. What each needs it receives: those that need shade find shade; those that need fruit find fruit. And most importantly, these faithful people draw in the liberated, the wise, the undefiled: people who find in their faith and goodness a ripe field for planting the dharma. And then when the faithful person learns the dharma — grows and understands — she is "extinguished without defilements".

What happens to a tree when it falls and breaks apart? It has spread its seed; it has prepared the ground with its own life; a new tree rises in its place to fill its place. Is there more to ask than that? People need more reassurance than a tree, though, at least until they understand.

  • Are you equating this sutta to the Buddha instructing monks to preach the equivalent of Santa Claus? That poor Indian people are like children in their understanding? – Yeshe Tenley 19 hours ago
  • @YesheTenley: Every person is like a child in the greater world: caught in fantasies and beliefs, asking endless curious questions, strutting over every success and crying over every failure.... Dukkha and tanhā are child's games that we've forgotten belong in the world of children. When we realize that, we can start to put them aside. – Ted Wrigley 18 hours ago
  • I agree for the most part. It's just that denying the conventional truth of rebirth - the western conceit - is the more childish and acknowledging it as the Buddha attested the more mature. – Yeshe Tenley 6 hours ago
  • @YesheTenley: It isn't my intent to confirm or deny the facticity of rebirth, and I don't believe I did that in what I wrote. But the concept of rebirth... Well, that's a mental construct as subject to attachments and misperceptions as any other mental construct. If we grant that the Buddha attested to it, must we also grant that we (much less novices and laity) understand precisely what he was pointing at? – Ted Wrigley 2 hours ago
  • @YesheTenley: Whatever the facts of the matter — and whatever we choose to hold as true — the path is the same. All that changes is our expectations. – Ted Wrigley 2 hours ago

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