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Since popular, one thinking compassionate, what might be it's effect, thought that's actually, after assisting ones benefactors, giving, the undertaking most praised by wise? So only foolish, or of much harm for others, oneself?

The same like if encouraging one to leave the holly life?

What are the roots, mind qualities, giving one such deeds set?

How should association with people not praising and seeking the full holly life be seen?

[Note that this isn't given for stacks, exchange, other world-binding trades, but for escape from this wheel]

  • This question is presumably related to this answer. – ruben2020 Nov 10 '20 at 3:14
  • That's good householders pulling in. Better then to assume things in relation would be to reflect why he himselves may discourage and what the effects of such, and cause of such, will be. – Samana Johann Nov 10 '20 at 3:54
  • Does he see any discouragement in this answer, and if why? As for Sila no transressions could be seen there, yet mind, kamma... the doers known secret. Nevertheless "funny" answer, thinking that easy leaving home and duties for low purposes, maybe thinking even equal this Ariya-Puggala, and of course even no blind parents and social networks "doing" there duties while consuming elsewhere... But that's another story of defilement. – Samana Johann Nov 10 '20 at 3:57
  • Since here an area where discourage of going forth is nearly obligated: there are hundreds of answers dispraising goning forth and in-pulling for ones feed. – Samana Johann Nov 10 '20 at 4:04
  • Since all meta (some metta), does good householder have questions in relation of the questions understanding? Just in case he looks for doing moderation and wishes to keep things simple on topic. – Samana Johann Nov 10 '20 at 4:09
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In the tradition of Thailand, every Buddhist man ordain as monk for a rainy season before get married. Therefore, in Thailand, many monks are not encouraging many more men to remain in the Holy Life. The Holy Life is bitter for a man without virtue that has strong survival instinct of "self".

When I live in the monastery, for many years, I see many defiled monks lusting after women. It was good to see these men disrobe and find the motherly warmth they needed from a woman.

In the Bible, the Saint Paul said: "It is good... to remain unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with lust".

The Dhammapada says:

  1. Difficult is life as a monk; difficult is it to delight therein

  2. There are many evil characters and uncontrolled men wearing the saffron robe. These wicked men will be born in states of woe because of their evil deeds.

  3. It would be better to swallow a red-hot iron ball, blazing like fire, than as an immoral and uncontrolled monk to eat the alms of the people.

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The Buddha taught to go forth and be a monk, persevering and achieving the goals of the holy life.

Otherwise, if that is not possible, then try to do well as a lay person, persevering and achieving the goals of the worldly life.

Even the latter is better than growing old, achieving nothing at all.

From Dhammapada 155-156:

They, who in youth have neither led the life of Purity nor have acquired wealth, waste away in dejection like decrepit herons on a drying pond deplete of fish.

They, who in youth have neither led the Life of Purity nor have acquired wealth, lie helplessly like arrows that have lost momentum, moaning and sighing after the past.

The story in the traditional commentary:

While residing at the Migadaya wood, the Buddha uttered Verses (155) and (156) of this book, with reference to the son of Mahadhana, a rich man from Baranasi.

The son of Mahadhana did not study while he was young; when he came of age he married the daughter of a rich man, who, like him, also had no education. When the parents on both sides died, they inherited eighty crores from each side and so were very rich. But both of them were ignorant and knew only how to spend money and not how to keep it or to make it grow. They just ate and drank and had a good time, squandering their money. When they had spent all, they sold their fields and gardens and finally their house. Thus, they became very poor and helpless; and because they did not know how to earn a living they had to go begging. One day, the Buddha saw the rich man's son leaning against a wall of the monastery, taking the leftovers given him by the samaneras; seeing him, the Buddha smiled.

The Venerable Ananda asked the Buddha why he smiled, and the Buddha replied, "Ananda, look at this son of a very rich man; he had lived a useless life, an aimless life of pleasure. If he had learnt to look after his riches in the first stage of his life he would have been a top-ranking rich man; or if he had become a bhikkhu, he could have been an arahat, and his wife could have been an anagami. If he had learnt to look after his riches in the second stage of his life he would have been a second rank rich man, or if he had become a bhikkhu he could have been an anagami, and his wife could have been a sakadagami. If he had learnt to look after his riches in the third stage of his life he would have been a third rank rich man, or if he had become a bhikkhu he could have been a sakadagami, and his wife could have been a sotapanna. However, because he had done nothing in all the three stages of his life he had lost all his worldly riches, he had also lost all opportunities of attaining any of the Maggas and Phalas."

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How could they answer... since if knowing, if aware, they wouldn't do such simply to justify their short-comings and doubt... evil, evil, evil... really misfortune if caught in such association.

And yes, it can be down-voted if such helps a little.

[Note that this isn't given for stacks, exchange, other householding-trades, but for escape from this wheel]

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