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I recently posted on the Islam site that we (Muslim) could consider Gautama Buddha as a prophet in our sense. I have originally put three different questions here; now I put two separately; under this title I leave the question of courtesy whether Buddhists would rather appreciate or oppose to it if I would call Gautama Buddha a prophet in the sense of Islam (not a prophet of Islam), knowing that the relation between both religions is not entirely peaceful (which I, personally, regret)

Thank you for your feedback

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    Jeshu - as an activist in the interreligious dialogue here in Kassel in the years between 2001 and 2012 I'd like to think about your question and to find qualified answers. For me it occurs that I do not know, what -in the sense of Islam- would qualify someone to be called a "prophet"? Commented Oct 12, 2020 at 19:25
  • If the prophet taught buddhism then it wouldn't be a big deal. It's not that you can change it if you think he's buddhist or not. Commented May 4, 2021 at 15:13
  • @GottfriedHelms A prophet in the understanding of Islam is a human person who receives guidance/enlightenment from God Allah. We understand the world from a monistic (All is connected) and monotheistic (this All is God Allah) view. We accept not to know how a prophet/messenger is chosen.
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 15:49
  • Ah, thank you, @Jeschu! Nice to receive an answer even 3 years after. Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 16:21
  • @GottfriedHelms Sometimes, things here get out of my scope...
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 17:13

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Hmph, well...

There are Buddhists who practice in a purely religious mode — a mode of rites, rituals, and obligations, or where Buddha is conceived as a transcendental being on a different plane of existence who can be worshipped and appealed to — and such buddhists might take offense at what they perceive as Islam co-opting or distorting the faith. I imagine most of the frictions we find between Buddhism and Islam (e.g., Myanmar) are of that nature, where Islam is seen as an encroachment that must be defended against.

Buddhists in the more mystical or philosophical mode don't reify or deify the Buddha in that way. Buddha for them is a man who awakened, and who showed a path to awakening that we might all follow. Such Buddhists would greet the idea of 'Buddha as a prophet' with (perhaps) a raised eyebrow: an unnecessary wrinkle in the fabric of the practice, one that could only lead to attachments and conflicts. However, such Buddhists are likely to eschew the very concept of 'prophet', which would likely unsettle devout Muslims.

It's a bit of a pickle...

The problem we consistently see in the world is that every faith starts with the pure goal of salvation — attaining a state of peace, grace, love, joy, etc. — but most faiths eventually collapse into a fear-state, where they perceive other faiths as overt threats to their own system of salvation. Once they collapse that way, they begin to practice brutality, vindictiveness, hatred, and everything that contradicts their own sense of salvation, merely because they are afraid of losing that salvation. It is the epitome of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Buddhism has something of an advantage in this regard because Buddhist salvation is rooted in emptiness, and emptiness is difficult to translate into a fear-derived opposite, but they are not immune to the effect. I'd suggest that instead of trying to morph buddha into a prophet (which might be greeted with raised hackles or irritatingly studied indifference, depending), it would be better to embrace buddhism (or any faith) as a sister-faith: an intrinsically different system that leads to the same goal. Much easier on everyone...

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  • As mentioned elsewhere: To revere Buddha even if as a prophet is still a good action that from a Buddhist perspective would cause the production of "mental seeds" that can be karmically harvested in the future. I can't think of any Buddhist who would not see that as a good thing.
    – Daniel
    Commented Nov 21, 2023 at 21:18
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You see friend, it's a sad state of affairs. Even the Buddhists of this site reject your respect of our teacher on the grounds that your faith is wrong in their eyes. And if your faith is "wrong", your respect must be misplaced, is that what we are saying? What a shame!

You are not asking for much - not asking to accept your faith, not asking for their respect, just asking to accept yours and even that you are denied! What a sad sad sad world.

You know what? You actually are free to respect whoever is worthy of respect, it's up to you to measure your respect and give him a title of Prophet, or a Wise One, or an Awakened One, or whatever title you see fit.

Did Buddha teach unity or division? Buddha taught unity. Did Buddha teach "only this is right, anything else is wrong"? The Buddha taught the danger of attachment to one-sided views, and the escape from attachment to one-sided views. Whoever speaks on behalf of the Buddha in the voice of division - misrepresents the Buddha.

The message of enlightenment is the message of non-hatred, message of non-division, message of non-attachment. It is the message of peace, the message of love. The flavor is unmistakable and you can see it in any religion, whether it goes in the same depths of psychology as Buddhism or not, any true teaching is a teaching of consolidation, not quarrel of "us" vs "them".

So thank you for making this step and stretching your hand across the divide, brother. I'm confident this step is right and the history will confirm it.

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  • Dear Andrej - please take me out of "the buddhists of this site" in your answer. Before I don't see the OP's understanding of what he means with "a prophet" I did not take side. Please remember that a generalized notion of "a prophet" (... "in a sense of...") might be able to open a route to more, deeper, understanding and then of educated agreement or disagreement. See for instance the list in dhammadhatu's answer where three notions of "a prophet" are tabulated for several islamic philosophers. Commented Oct 13, 2020 at 15:53
  • "Even the Buddhists of this site reject your respect of our teacher on the grounds that your faith is wrong in their eyes" what? Non of the answers on this site says such thing, what are you talking about?
    – Daniel
    Commented Nov 21, 2023 at 21:12
  • I suppose you don't see the deleted answers that were here back in 2020... But also, look at these extant answers: "It follows the Buddha cannot be seen as a prophet by Islam because Islam, like the Jews, worship creation and the flesh and material things of this world and rejects monasticism." and "I'd suggest that instead of trying to morph buddha into a prophet (which might be greeted with raised hackles or irritatingly studied indifference, depending), it would be better".
    – Andriy Volkov
    Commented Nov 21, 2023 at 23:44
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    I like your answer and send your message back : "Thank you for making this step and stretching your hand across the divide, brother. I'm confident this step is right and the history will confirm it." I also noticed th high score of affirmation of your vote with pleasure. Please do not take it as a refusal of this that I chose a more objective "accepted answer".
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 15:20
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To add another answer, similar to the questioner, Muslim scholars in the distance past appeared to have a superficial and/or inaccurate understanding of Buddhism, despite their praises. For example:

Ibn al-Nadim (10th-century) stated:

These people [Buddhists of Khurasan] are the most generous of all the inhabitants of the earth and of all the religionists. This is because their prophet Budhasaf [Bodhisattva] has taught them that the greatest sin, which should never be thought of or committed, is the utterance of “No.” Hence they act upon this advice; they regard the uttering of “No” as an act of Satan. And it is their very religion to banish Satan.

By 12th century, al-Shahrastani also repeated al-Biruni’s account of Buddhism in his book entitled The Book of Religions and Creeds (Kitab al-Milal wa al-Nihal). Al-Shahrastani (1992) placed the Buddha's position as Prophet Khidir which can be summarized as follows:

Buddha was an ideal human. He was not born, did not get old, and even did not die. He avoided the pleasure of eating, drinking and remained celibate all his life. He was a perfect ascetic and an exemplary model for his disciples. Accordingly, a Buddhist can be defined as a seeker of truth, a practitioner of various ascetic works, and a holder of the deepest sense of inner morality. Buddhist ethical practices include having patience, giving alms, renouncing this world, abstaining from greed and worldly pleasure, and showing compassion for all creatures. Thus, a Buddhist is required to live an ethically correct life. In addition to practicing these ascetic disciplines, a Buddhist is encouraged to pursue spiritual perfection. He must enhance his intelligence and seek a higher existence. By doing so, he can liberate himself from this lower world that is destined to decline, live in the eternal world, and eventually be led to the presence of divine beings. Buddhism places importance on ascetic disciplines and spiritual endeavor. At the end of this description, Shahrastani states that Buddha in the Buddhist context can be compared to Khaḍir (Khiḍr), a legendary Islamic saint whose existence is taken for granted by Muslims.

From: Muslim scholar’s discourse on Buddhism: a literature on Buddha’s position

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  • I didn't know those authors. Of course, looks from far-off are usually not accurate. This is very useful for Islamic views.
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 15:13
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The Buddha worshiped the Law of Liberation, per SN 6.2. The Buddha taught others to worship the Law of Liberation rather than worship him, per SN 22.87. While the Buddha did provide teachings of social morality or guidance for laypeople & the world (DN 31), the Buddha was primarily an ascetic that renounced the world.

Islam, for the most part, does not appear to worship the Law of Liberation but, instead, worships the Creator. In Buddhism, the Creator of this world is craving or lust, per SN 12.44.

It follows the Buddha cannot be seen as a prophet by Islam because Islam, like the Jews, worship creation and the flesh and material things of this world and rejects monasticism. Even where Islam encourages renunciation of the world, namely, zuhd, it, per the Koran, rejects monasticism.

In summary, Islam is predominantly a doctrine of social morality for the world rather than a doctrine of liberation from the world. A most positive thing a Buddhist can approve of in relation to Islam is the Koran says: "There is no compulsion in religion". Actual history shows many different religions coexisted under the political system of Islam, which included Buddhism in Persia for around 500 years (before the Turks and then Mongols harmed the Islamic culture).

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  • Interesting point of view, trying to learn more about it. Can you elaborate more about turks and mongols harming the Islamic culture?
    – arthur
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    i'm not an expert but the central Asian Turks (who drifted west) were originally used as mercenaries for the Persian Muslims until the Turks realized since they are the military they might as well take over the Islam Empire. These Turkic warlords then invaded North India mainly for the purpose of looting so they could finance their wars. Then the Mongols turned up (Gengis Khan was originally a Buddhist) & they destroyed Bagdad, killing 100s of 1000s of people, mostly Muslims. Then the Mongols converted to Islam but obviously they & the Turks caused much harm to the original Islamic pluralism Commented Dec 30, 2020 at 3:53
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    Upon the rise of Islam in Persia, Bagdad became the great cultural city of the world, including religious & philosophical exchange. Some early Muslim scholars in Bagdad praised Buddhism greatly, saying Buddhists were unsurpassed in their generosity and that Buddhism has the same goal as Islam, which was the defeat of Satan (Mara). But, as I said, when the Mongols sacked and wrecked Bagdad, its former glory, which represented the original pluralism of Islam, never recovered. The centres of Islam probably later moved to Cairo, Damascus, Istanbul, etc Commented Dec 30, 2020 at 3:57
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    Later certain Turks would drift all the way West to Anatolia, today called Turkey. These Turks established the Ottoman Empire, which was very pluralistic. But the original Turkic converts to Islam invaded Northern India, as i said, and looted the remains of Buddhism in India (which was dying anyway). Commented Dec 30, 2020 at 3:59
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"... question of courtesy whether Buddhists would rather appreciate or oppose to it ..."

If the intent is to show respect and veneration towards the Buddha and his teachings even if you are not Buddhist but follow another religion, then I would absolutely welcome this kind act. Further, I would offer that you are providing a testament to your own religion by showing such a good example of kindness and respect.

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    Even orthodox Muslim are open to this thought, as It is said in the Quran, that God has sent prophets to every nation, although they do not consider his teachings as relevant for Islam. This is a good base for mutual respect and peace. I personally like to read and reflect the wisdom from other traditions, including Buddhism, from the perspective of the path I go.
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 14:10
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I see no problem in a similar way how some Buddhist like to think of Jesus and Muhammad and other world religion founders as Boddhisatvas and some Christians see Buddha and other world religion founders as saints. To revere Buddha even if as a prophet is still a good action that from a Buddhist perspective would cause the production of "mental seeds" that can be karmically harvested in the future. I can't think of any Buddhist who would not see that as a good thing.

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Here's how Islam works think of the BhavaCakra... twelve links of causation. One pictures oneself in the Yama position: In Islams case? Yama becomes Allah/God/Brahma whatever then the twelve nidana get called sons or "Mohammad".

Same thing with Christianity with the twelve "saints". Of course the difference? Allah is in fact the name of god to the Islamic people.

Christians are still playing scape goat with their "gods" name. The god of Abraham... is all they feel comfortable with as a name.

So If Allah wanted to be Christian he would just have to be called: The god of Mohammad.

Who knows who knows is the best answer to whom someone's "god" is... diarrhea for many becomes "god" really quick in search of a bathroom or else boom right there in the robes without a single thought about it. In such a case... How is that not: "Zen mind, beginners mind"?

If someone is disgusted by the very idea? They should try wearing them; or at least remember you once did and someone was kind enough to change old baby for money(hospice) and kind enough to change new baby for "free"(parental figure).

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  • Sorry, I don't get your point. I don't see the link between the concepte of Twelve Nidanas (which are teachings, not teachers) and 12 saints (the Catholics have 14, and they have nothing to do with Muhammad, p.b.u.h. Our image of God is closest to Brahman in the Indian tradition; we don't see a difference between the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus or Muhammad. I don't understand anything from tho two last sections.
    – Jeschu
    Commented Nov 25, 2023 at 13:42

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