How does the Nimitta occur? I mean does it come all of a sudden (like torch turned on) as a shining bright white light or does it come as light gradually increasing brightness of varied colors?

I am able to see a faint glimmer of blue circular object but not getting anywhere with it. The brightness and color remains constant for few minutes and it vanishes afterwards. Is it Nimitta? What should I do to brighten it


MN128 has a long long discussion about what to do when nimitta vanishes:

MN128:15.3: “Well, sir, while meditating diligent, keen, and resolute, we perceive both light and vision of forms. But before long the light and the vision of forms vanish. We haven’t worked out the reason for that.”

It's rather lengthy, so I won't repeat it but it starts here:

MN128:16.1: “Well, you should work out the reason for that. Before my awakening—when I was still unawakened but intent on awakening—I too perceived both light and vision of forms. But before long my light and vision of forms vanished. It occurred to me: ‘What’s the cause, what’s the reason why my light and vision of forms vanish?’ It occurred to me: ‘Doubt arose in me, and because of that my immersion fell away.

And continues for a very long explanation...

Regarding what is actually seen, that too is mentioned in DN16. Specifically, visions can be internal or external; limited or limitless; blue, red, yellow or white.

DN16:3.26.1: Perceiving form internally, someone sees visions externally, limitless, both pretty and ugly. (...)

Notably, one should also not be attached to such visions. Let them come and go. Watch without grasping.

MN111:4.5: And he meditated without attraction or repulsion for those phenomena; independent, untied, liberated, detached, his mind free of limits.

In particular, limited visions will have forms, since forms are limited. Just watch.

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  • Thankyou for the answer but sorry you didnot answer my main question of whether the nimmata comes all of a sudden or it comes gradually. Also in your answer what id 'vision of forms'? How it it related to nimitta. I have read that nimmata is a circular disk. – The White Cloud Jul 24 at 7:42
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    Thank you. The information you seek is in DN16. I've extended the answer. Let go of expectations such as "sudden" or "gradual". Just watch. – OyaMist Jul 24 at 15:33

We practice wholesome mind and mind factors on one meditation object, not nimitta, however nimitta is an effect of more power mind. When wholesome mind begin to concentrate stably more and more gradually, the Nimitta is going to appear brighter and brighter little by little gradually, too. At first, it would be like a very transparent gray could, pin, etc., after it would be like a bright star, or sun, or flower, etc. And when it is a PatibhagaNimitta, it is super beautiful bright and stable like your stable mind. This may use 1-3 hours per sitting, 12h a day everyday for a year in monk, but someone may use just few months. It depends on one's past Pāramī. However, Nimitta appearing or not is not important because when the years of the concentration gone by, you can see the developing stable, claim, fast thinking which being better for complex insight meditation. That's the point to keep the concentration meditation for years to the the of life. I do it for 1-2 hours a day, 5 times a week for 2 month there are just unstable transparent cloud and some spectrum color appear to me. I try hard to care not of them because I lose the meditation when I lose focus from the meditation's object to Nimitta, broken meditation.

So, the only way to do is relax your mind and body, don't excite of whatever happen. Just go back to the meditation object, breathe, etc. We will focus on nimitta only when the nimitta is stable brighter and brighter enough. Then it is going to overlay the meditation object. When this overlaying nimitta is stable enough, we focuses on Nimitta instead.

This maybe require long time for layman. So it's okay if you want to meditate or listen the insight meditation if you worry you will miss the insight meditation. However, my experience tell me "I can't enlighten Nibbāna, although I meditate the insight meditation, if my 5 hindrances still often arise, no citta-visuddhi. When I realized this, I trow my time on the concentration meditation more and more, thenmy insight meditation is better than I have been before.

If I could go back, I will start the concentration meditation as early as I can and keep it to the end of my life, **either getting Nimitta or not because my Sutta and Abhidhamma study are easier after I've focused on the concentration meditatio. Another my insight meditation and emotion controll are better, too.

"Nimitta"'s references in DN.SubhaSutta to overlay the "(Kāma-)Nimitta and it's detail" in 6 SatiSanvara, "Escape Kāma and Escape Unwholesome" in 1st Jhāna, and "Pariyodāta (for Ānenjā)" in 4th Jhāna and 8 Vijjā: https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/39817/10100

Information: https://medium.com/capoeirawellness/instructions-on-anapanasati-meditation-for-beginners-38db38787fe3

Video: Revara PaAuk's student Dhamma Talk

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  • Thankyou for the answer but sorry you did not answer my main question of whether the nimmata comes all of a sudden or it comes gradually? – The White Cloud Jul 24 at 12:15
  • I already added it to the answer. However, the main idea still at mind practice for Ānāpānassati. The object practice is for some think like Kasina which we practice after 4th Jhāna of Ānāpanassati in Buddhism, except Kasina is done before or past Pārami allow it. See MN KāyagatasatiSutta and DN SubhaSutta. – Bonn Jul 24 at 16:40
  • Good answer. Upvoted. – XPD Aug 3 at 18:52

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