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Every Buddhism believe in Eternity or Samsara. So, how can I imagine of Samsara?. What is the starting of it ? Any suggestions would be really appreciated.

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    It is unclear what you are asking. What is the "starting life of eternity"? Please clarify what exactly what you're asking about, so as to ensure that your question is not closed. – senshin Jun 18 '14 at 3:13
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    no need to be mean. English is a difficult language. This question should be written "Every Buddhist believes in eternity. So, how can I remember my first life?" edit: i have proposed it as an edit to the question. – Anthony Jun 18 '14 at 3:20
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    @qweilun Is that what OP's question actually is? I'm not trying to be an ass; I just literally did not understand what he meant. – senshin Jun 18 '14 at 3:23
  • Sorry if I interpreted that way. That's what I think OP means. It's difficult to imagine OP would mean anything else. :) – Anthony Jun 18 '14 at 3:37
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    It's a bit unclear. Do you want to know about your first life, like what you did, where you lived, etc., or about the first starting point of any being in his infinite times of material existence? – jabahar Jun 18 '14 at 9:05
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According to the suttas, samsara has no beginning. There are many references to this.

  • The suttas you referenced don't say "no beginning": they say "inconstruable" and "not evident". Whether "the world is infinite" is one of the "unanswered questions". – ChrisW Nov 3 '15 at 11:13
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Is there a starting point to a circle? Just like that, there's no starting life to Sansara. But you can break this circle at 2 points.

  1. Ignorance.
  2. Craving.

That is when you attain Nibbana.

  • Yes , Eternity mean absolutely for Sansara. Fine . I would like to know what is the starting of Sansara ? – Cataclysm Jun 18 '14 at 11:37
  • What is the starting of a circle? – Sankha Kulathantille Jun 18 '14 at 11:42
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    if you asked about circle , that may be drawer . if you asked about an egg ,that may be han. So , everythings has their being. where they come from ? – Cataclysm Jun 18 '14 at 11:44
  • but I don't mean that was due to Creator or God. I know Buddha didn't told about the starting of Sansara. Chritians has their starting life .They believe about Creator. – Cataclysm Jun 18 '14 at 11:48
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    So what came 1st? Egg or the hen? This is a problem with linear thinking. You can touch any point of the circle and take it as the starting point. But there's always a point before it. – Sankha Kulathantille Jun 18 '14 at 11:49
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The answer to your question depends on how one understands the word "start." Etymologically, the English word means to jump, leap up, or move or spring suddenly, thus, to arise, to come into being. In accordance with the law of karma, the whole process of samsara itself must be self-starting.

This can be proved logically based on the law of karma, which requires that every cause have an effect and every effect a cause. Since samsara is time itself, the essence of time is the identity of cause and effect, thus, the moment, which is then extended in space as past and future to create the infinitely differentiated world that we experience.

However, as the illusory negation of reality samsara must inhere in the non-illusory, which is reality itself. Therefore, samsara also inheres in reality, and in that sense has a logical - but not a temporal - "origin." This "start" is the principle of karma itself, which is the inherent kinetic principle in transdual reality.

This is necessary to explain our experience of samsara. Otherwise, there would just be nothing at all. This point of identity of samsara and reality is, once again, the moment. Therefore, the answer to your question is that the start of samsara is the inherently timeless and therefore eternal moment, which paradoxically is the origin of time, space, and causality that endlessly differentiates in infinitely variegated patterns. This view of the cosmos remarkably presages certain theories in modern physics, especially the holographic theory of the universe.

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Beginning of Samsara is stated by Buddha as not knowable for ordinary beings. Knowing rightly would be to not imagine in regard of its beginning.

Usually Samsara is imagined as round of re-births in the six realms, or much more detailed view as bhavacakra.

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Your question has two parts so i will answer in the following order...

How to understand "Samsara" and how it works.

Sansara or Samsara is the word Lord Buddha picked to name a certain circle of death and life.

What is samsara

As we Buddhists believe as long as a being lust for existence he will be born according to his Karma.To this process we call "Sansara or Samsara".

So where is the start of samsara?

Even Lord Buddha was intrigued by the question and started to find a solution.The only way to do it is to look back into your own past to find your first life.So Lord Buddha went back countless amount of lives and understood that the "Beginning" is very ancient the time we have in a life is not enough to look back and see that life.So lord Buddha said this to the Sangha "There is no point in looking for a start,it is too old and trying to find an answer is a waste of time".And advised that no one should try to find an answer to it (Because they will not be able to find it)

So my friend that question can't be answered by any being in the universe,Because if there is something out of Lord Buddha's reach it is out of anyone's reach.

So how does samsara work?

How it works is complicated but i will give you a simplified version of it.

Samsara needs fuel like your car,As long as you give fuel to it it will keep working and you will have life after life to live.

Let me give an example from lord Buddha....

"Karma is the paddy field,Lusting is the water,vinyana is the seed"

In the real world without water a seed will not grow,likewise without "Greed or lust" you will not be born,without it there is no samsara but as long as you have it you will have samsara and you will have to suffer in whatever karma brings you.

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Buddhism basically deals with the present. Dwelling the mind on past or future unnecessarily creates mental vexation. Hence, concepts like God, origin, etc. are not dealt in Buddhism. It doesn't matter why or how the samsara came into existence, what matters is that samsara does exist. Now when samsara exists and we exist, our effort should be eradicating problems that give rise to suffering. For example, because you are thinking about the origin, you are to some amount troubled by the question. So as per Buddhism you should not focus your mind on such irrelevant questions as they unnecessarily create suffering.

However, if you are really looking for answers then you should consider studying the philosophy of other religions. If you do, then you will find the answer to be God. Then the question of starting point of God will arise in your mind. If you look into science, it says Big Bang is the starting point. But in my view, Nothing is the starting point. Only that which has come to exist can have a starting point. How can that which doesn't even exist have a starting point? I know this sounds ambiguous, but it's hard to explain here in few words. You can check the following link if you like, but my findings there is based on Vedic scriptures: http://shunyavada.com/

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From objective perspective, Samsara is a beginningless round of deaths and rebirths the beings are stuck in. "Beginningless" means, it has no beginning. The question you may ask: if Samsara has no beginning, and I am in it, how did I come to exist? This seems like a real puzzle.

Another piece of the puzzle, is Buddha's suggestion that despite being beginningless, Samsara has an end. The end of Samsara is attainment of Nirvana.

The usual superficial understanding of these, is to assume that one can escape Samsara, stop the round of deaths-and-rebirth, and effectively spend the rest of eternity in a state of perpetual lack of suffering.

Such answer though would omit a very important construct of Buddhism, one of "Tree Marks of Existence"

According to Buddha, the existence inevitably has characteristics of

  1. Impermanence
  2. Suffering
  3. Selflessness (nonsubstantiality)

Which means, a state of perpetual lack of suffering would contradict the fundamental law of the universe (as presented in the Tree Marks). How could it be perpetual given the impermanence? How can suffering cease given that suffering is an intrinsic characteristic of existence? How can I spend the rest of eternity in this state if "I" (self) does not exist?

This seems like a serious contradiction. And yet Buddha insists, there is a way to solve this conundrum, there is a way to attain Nirvana.

Without giving too much away, I would like to hint at the direction the answer lies in:

Samsara begins when subject and object separate from each other. Samsara ends when subject and object are no longer separated. The answer lies in the realm of phenomenology of experience, including experience of suffering, life, and death. Good luck with your quest!

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    Could you elaborate on this? The exact meaning of your answer is probably obvious to experienced Buddhist practitioners, but it is unclear to me what "subject" and "object" are in this context. – senshin Jun 18 '14 at 16:28
  • It would at least be good if you could provide a source to back up your answer, though it does sound intriguing :) – yuttadhammo Jun 18 '14 at 16:59
  • this is an important methodological question @Yuttadhammo -- are we saying it is a requirement to back all our answers with sources, or is it enough to go by experience and "general understanding" – Andrei Volkov Jun 18 '14 at 17:01
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    Not necessarily, but one sentence answers provide very little in the way of benefit to the person asking the question; opinions and personal experience based answers are similarly unlikely to help much. Definitely this answer is too brief to be of much use, and so it was flagged as "low-quality". – yuttadhammo Jun 18 '14 at 17:04
  • @Yuttadhammo you seem to exhibit a methodological bias ;) In Zen the preferred way to answer questions is with 2-3 word phrases. Because this site is about Buddhism, not Buddhology, I suppose we can use a variety of tools to point the participants in the right direction. – Andrei Volkov Jun 18 '14 at 17:13

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