My person thought of motivating, encouraging each other in supporting the foundation for meditation, complete Sila incl. right livelihood, if bound to house-life, viewing on the aspects of, planting food without soil & harm.

Maybe some of you here like to share each other not only motivation like:

Why could this be a good livelihood?

How could this be a good livelihood?

but also tips in how to do practical and simple without much material need and high tech.

How to do it for your own in least harmful way?

If wishing to share it foremost dedicated to the Sangha and it's devoted Noble followers, to have a change of higher merits, one can use the dedicated place here as well.

(Note that this is not given for trade, exchange, stacks... but for a way out of that wheel)


Samana(if I am not mistaken) , If by " without soil & harm" you mean "my traces of bad habbits should not be there in devotees" then stop making or even a desire to make others your student or student of any human( one who is not enlightened) cause as a student, we tend to follow our master's habbits. Dhamma(right teachings) is only teacher.

Along with this, stop writing, "(Note that this is not given for trade, exchange, stacks... but for a way out of that wheel)" everytime cause it gives creepy feeling of " someone wants to steal-away your ideas/theory or might blame you in future". Act independently, act naturally, don't bother about anything. Old age is only to enjoy the merits of young&hot blood times not to be bound by bad or evil.

  • How can/could my person help good householder Alex? Nyom seems to be gravely stressed. – user11235 Jan 6 '20 at 13:47
  • Thanks! You asked me that's enough. You don't need to struggle for me(well! not now). Hope you are good in your health(mental & physical). My metta to you & your enviornment. – user17511 Jan 6 '20 at 13:54
  • If struggling for someone, would that help another or oneself, good householder? – user11235 Jan 6 '20 at 13:56
  • Giving a metaphor-like answer on growing in Dhamma without soil (Nissaya) is also fine, if Nyom likes to give a useful share for his fellows here. – user11235 Jan 6 '20 at 13:59
  • No need for me atleast! helping hands, if raised with healthy mind induces good vibrations in oneself & another. – user17511 Jan 6 '20 at 13:59

It all starts with food.

AN10.27:10.5: ‘All sentient beings are sustained by food.’ Becoming completely disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed regarding this one thing, seeing its limits and fully comprehending its meaning, a mendicant makes an end of suffering in this very life.

To live, we must eat. And since we have physical bodies, we need physical food. That food must also eat and is sustained by conditions. There is much food on the Earth, but if we allow greed to take it all, then we starve. And die.

Because the food we eat must itself also eat, we have to provide harmonious conditions for a sustained abundance of food. We need to understand and practice permaculture, which is sustainable and ecologically aware agriculture.

And this brings us to the fifth peril of modern times:

AN5.80:6.2: In such conditions it can be expected that they will engage in storing up goods for their own use, and making obvious hints about digging the earth and cutting plants. This is the fifth future peril that has not currently arisen, but will arise in the future … These are the five future perils that have not currently arisen, but will arise in the future. You should look out for them and try to give them up.”

In many places today, humans practice slash and burn farming. Sometimes it is blatant, as in the Amazon, where jungle is cleared for farmland. Sometimes it is subtle, where topsoil is consumed inexorably by imprudent and intensive farming. All these are unsustainable. Our children will starve.

But we can learn how to give back. We can learn how to sustain and feed the planet that feeds us. We can learn how to not to kill, not to slash and not to burn. We can all learn this. We all need to learn this. All of us need to understand this so that we can act for the greater good with awareness. This is not just about farmers and farming. This is a way of life for all of us to learn. With sustainable agriculture and gardening we can feed each other.

Try this one very simple, very difficult thing. Grow a plant that will feed you. It takes months to grow one head of broccoli. Try it. Try it with a friend. And when you understand how difficult this is to grow a single meal, you will deeply understand the heartbreaking importance of agriculture. It takes quite a long time and many helping hands to feed the world so it can feed us. Start now and help feed the world. All the world. Not just humans. All the world.

Nurture the world or starve.

Regarding "planting without soil", I recommend Kratky hydroponics method with soil in netpots. But that really is a thread for Gardening SE. Interestingly, hydroponics does address the "do not dig" prohibition of the Vinaya, but harvesting is still problematic from a Vinaya point of view.

Discussions are beyond the scope of StackExchange. For those interested, I've started another thread at SuttaCentral.net

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    Sadhu, so fare. maybe good to add that one uses most harmless food not to live at least, but to live on to escape the wheel of food and eater. May good householder feel welcome to share simple tips for simple people on the track to search for escape here: sangham.net/index.php/topic,9634.0.html maybe soon some pictures of very simple ways, yet practical. – user11235 Dec 30 '19 at 14:42
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    Indeed. This is an enormous and deep subject. I am myself but a student of permaculture. I was shocked at how hard it was to grow a single head of broccoli. Yet that struggle has inspired me to devote what life I have remaining towards understanding and supporting permaculture and wholesome food. Let us all reach out to each other and help with this. We cannot do this alone. – OyaMist Dec 30 '19 at 14:48
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    "Nurture the world or starve." isn't right. Nurture the world and you stay bond. Nurture what is worthy to nuture lead to escape and nothing to worry of those who are not to be shown that any food involvs harm for other. – user11235 Dec 30 '19 at 14:48
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    Yes. You're right. Nurture the world or starve is incomplete. AN5.80 discusses four other perils. There is much much more to be aware of. – OyaMist Dec 30 '19 at 14:51
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    "Let us all reach out to each other and help with this.", get your way for 4000 monasteries, and millions of Buddhist with simple and practical solutions, leaving harmful hightech behind. – user11235 Dec 30 '19 at 14:52

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