Supposed one has to work, yet comes across the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, stops suddenly to follow his duties, and scarifies all (possible his job) to give into the Jewels, what does one think, bad Kamma and violation to be blamed by wise or legitimate "break of promise", with high rewards?

Whats the different to Sunday questions?

{Other then a sunday-question, this might be the proper for Mondays, rlease and yet not for trade and exchanges thought. So what now?}

  • Lets see if aside of special answeres might not come different, having abounded "only this is right, all other is wrong" on certain basic level. Sunday and monday have total different objectives for the most and such could be abounded. Feb 25, 2019 at 9:33
  • A rather simple question: Is it worth to spend your only penny to own a priceless gem? Or keep your only penny to buy something else for food?
    – Damith
    Feb 25, 2019 at 10:28
  • Nyom Damith may try to start a question on it if not sure, not sure if allowed/beloved to ask if he actually is or if assumed so. But why not giving a penny into it? On starving? Feb 25, 2019 at 10:53

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Its bad kamma; similar to many suttas where a puthujjana asked the Buddha for a teaching and the Buddha said it was not the right time.

Also, the question has wrong understanding because the Buddha taught a monk should not be a burden on ordinary people.

For example, the reason why monks only go on alms round in the morning is to not be a burden on the ordinary activities of ordinary people.

Therefore, due to the SIMPLICITY of the Sangha, it is obvious a lay devotee would not be forced to stop their duties for beggars with three robes & a begging bowel who should be meditating at the root of a tree, in a cave or in an empty secluded dwelling.

  • So the Devoted, on his way to bring the King his ordered flowers, but on the way, meeting the Buddha, gave them to him was bad Kamma? To leave all ones duties and go form the houselife into homelessness is bad Kamma? To stop a promise to kill for some food after coming across the Dhamma is bad Kamma? And the monks under the trees haven been fall, like the Buddha from heaven, having got this task by birth, form God... or what? A lot of pain today? Feb 25, 2019 at 9:24
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    The question & comment is sīlabbata-parāmāsa (superstitious non-sense). Feb 25, 2019 at 11:19
  • I think the question was asking, "Given that it's wrong to steal time from your employer to study the Dhamma, what about sacrificing your job to give to the Jewels (possibly become a monk or otherwise spend time in a monastery instead? Is that bad kamma, or is it a legitimate change of mind (e.g. about whether the employment contract is good) with high rewards?"
    – ChrisW
    Feb 26, 2019 at 11:24

The Buddha spoke about two kinds of people, the ordinary worldling (puthujjana) and the noble person (ariya). Those who generate sentient thoughts focused on and attached to some sort of sensual pleasures at all times are identified under this first category. In the ”kuddala Panditha” jataka story, the Buddha described the sentient mind as a mind that is swift in nature; a mind that is not commendable; a mind that arises for the purpose of attaching to objects; and once attached to objects, a mind that cannot be retracted.

For an ordinary worldling (puthujjana), obviously it is a worthwhile ambition to become a noble person, as if we keep looking for it at some future time, then it will escape us. The difference between a noble one and a worldling is the experience of "path and fruit" (magga-phala).

This is exactly what a group of 60-80 people / families who lived in the West, and of Sri Lankan origin did some two years ago. They were influenced by the Late Waharaka Thero who ordained in the year 2005. Before the ordination he was a lay person named WA Abayarathna and fully ordained as a monk in 2005 as Ven. Waharaka Abayarathanalankara. At that time even his wife, his son & his daughter, and her husband entered monkhood dedicating themselves to follow the path.

Even in this group of 60-80 people, there were whole families too. One such was Ven. Bhikkhu Baththaramulle Amadassana. The following short story “This is the place where we can find REAL PHILOSOPHY OF THE LORD BUDDHA” is a snapshot of his past and present life.


Buddhist monkhood, 0n the ideal (ariya) level, refers to those of the Buddha’s followers—whether lay or ordained—who have practiced to the point of gaining at least the first of the transcendent qualities culminating in Liberation.

The Buddha designed the monkhood so that monks would have time alone but also have time together. If you spent all your time alone, it has its drawbacks, just as you spent all your time together. So you have to learn how to balance the two – to learn how to develop your own good qualities on your own and at the same time use the actions and words of other people as mirrors for yourself, to check yourself, to see what out there is worth emulating, to see what out there is clearly unskillful, and then reflect on yourself.

In Theragatha - Verses of the Elder Monks, we find the story of Ven. Ratthapala who explains why he's not in the least bit tempted to return to the lay life. The verses here fall into three sections, with the first two relating to Raṭṭhapāla’s story as told in MN 82. In the first, Raṭṭhapāla is addressing his father after the latter had tried to use wealth and Raṭṭhapāla’s former wives to lure Ratthapala into disrobing. In the second section, Raṭṭhapāla is talking to King Koravya, who had asked him why he had ordained when he was still young and healthy, and had suffered no loss of relatives or wealth.

The Way to end all suffering is called the ‘Majjima Patipada’ – Way to Relinquish Attachments to this World - because it avoids the two extremes of sensual indulgence and self-mortification. Then only the mind has the clarity and strength to meditate deeply and discover the Truth. This ‘Majjima Patipada’ consists of the diligent cultivation of Virtue, Meditation and Wisdom.

  • Sadhu for the generous reflection Upasaka. It's hwo ever, possible difficult to relate it to the question, or? Ordaining, of course, matches, but also things like going after merits has been meant. Listen to dhamma, dana...
    – user11235
    Jul 6, 2019 at 23:10
  • Samana Johann... As long as you are indebted to others, and/or others are indebted to you, you cannot go far in this path. So that samsaric debt will have to be paid, by first knowing how to turn all your Merits to Kusal (kamma that is ‘Neither Black nor White’). But this group is not yet ready / at a stage to realize that Punnabhi Sankhara is also a hinderance, as much as Apunnabhi Sankhara. So please do not ask anymore questions on this. It has to wait for another time, another day. Jul 6, 2019 at 23:30
  • A nice movie as well. In the relation of the topic: would it be a fault if leaving wife, children, behind, even when they dont ordain, dont feel happy?
    – user11235
    Jul 6, 2019 at 23:30
  • I see. Much faith and right choices, Upasaka. Mudita. (A former successful building engenier, with wife, children... wishing so)
    – user11235
    Jul 6, 2019 at 23:33
  • Debts by the way, or debts to kama-guna, of which ignoring, there are no faults at all. Also called bodydebts, something one maintains on and on.
    – user11235
    Jul 6, 2019 at 23:37

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