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How can I explain to a non follower of the dhamma that killing living beings intentionally has mental and physical consequences?

This person started saying: "old hunter-gatherers, had no consequences nor problems with hunting". If I tell them this is the Buddhist point of view they are going to label it as religious mystical nonsense.

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Why don't you kill? Maybe because you don't like to be killed either? It would be good if Nyom Daniel gives an answer here himself.

  • Well I don't kill since the intention to do so is a total lack of compassion to other beings that are present in the wheel of samsara. Killing bears mental agitation that is crearly perceptible. – Daniel C Nov 18 '18 at 16:23
  • What about bad guys or a bloody hornet Nyom @DanielC or if you have nothing to eat? Or someone wishing to kill all bears? – Samana Johann Nov 18 '18 at 16:26
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How can I explain to a non follower of the dhamma that killing living beings intentionally has mental and physical consequences?

The law of kamma is like the natural law of physics. For any action, there will be a re-action in return. If you throw a ball up in the air, sooner or later the ball will fall back down. Similary, if a person kills someone, he'll face the risk of the victim's loved ones to exact their vengeance upon him in return. In the case of hunters, one day their luck will run out and they'll die from the same kind of wounds they used to inflict upon their preys. And even in the event they don't get the exact kind of retribution, the natural law will always find a way to turn around and bite back when the time is right, in this life or the next, the killer's life will be cut short in countless other ways: freak accidents, incurable painful diseases, mental disorder leading to suicide, etc.

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well approach like that: puthujjanas always do their things from greed, aversion or ignorance. greed and aversion typically refer to kama [opinions, thougths, ideas included], and ignorance to ''non pleasant and non dis pleasant'' feelings, like the non-puthujjana puts it https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.044.than.html, or even better to equanimity, especially the 4th jhana. Typically puthujjanas knows nothing about non-kama,and killing ties up to clinging to sensuality [at this point puthujjanas love to talk about their moronic idea of ''survival instincts'' to ''make reasonable'' their toxic deeds and their binary thinking ''it is the other one or me'', ''it is a matter of life or death''] and that clinging to sensuality makes for a miserable life and clinging to sensuality is the only way to not get jhanas and the joy. Now, the puthujjanas will talk about building something with their life, in order to realize their pathetic fantasy of transcendence, precisely in order to counter the rut and misery of life, precisely because they have zero idea of what they are doing [no matter what they claim] besides following their desires and clinging to kama, to transmit something to '''futur generations'', a society, a lineage, a career and all their idiotic stuff that they build and claim they are good people for building their stuff. The easiest counter point is to make them say that sometimes all the stuff they build is a burden for them, so if it is a burden even one time, then it is not worth doing it [but puthujjanas have no problem with the idea of doing something that does not work, so if this does not work, still no worry, at least one of you two will get tired to talk about that and move on].

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