I'm currently reading Zen Mind Beginners Mind which I am enjoying. However when I read Zen books I'm always confused about the role of effort in zazen practice. Reading the book it makes it seem like there is no effort involved. In one sense I can subscribe to this. However if zazen was truly effortless then everyone would be doing zazen most of the time. That seems like a flawed conclusion to me. Can anyone help me with how effort relates to zazen please.

  • From what I understood Master Suzuki talks about so-called Pure effort
    – Rabbit
    Commented Aug 27, 2014 at 15:15

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As someone who has practiced zazen (in the Rinzai tradition) for many years, I will second Michael's answer. That very much describes how I meditate. You have to lift and apply the mind in meditation otherwise, well, otherwise you tend to fall asleep. ;-) Too much effort (like forcefully eliminating thoughts and 'crushing' the mind on the meditation object) is also a bad idea. The approach might be slightly different for the Soto lineage (and the language your book uses seems to suggest a Soto bent). Still, I highly doubt there's that much difference in how the mind is engaged while sitting.

One thing to remember is that Zen is heavily influenced by Taoism. You might want to tangentially exploring the concept of non-effort by reading up on the Taoist concept of wu wei. Sometimes it helps to explore a similar idea from a different avenue.

  • Thank you for the response. You are right the book is from a Soto Zen perspective Commented Aug 28, 2014 at 7:02

I am not familiar with zazen since I practice theravada meditation. In theravada there is the idea that you have to make effort to sit and meditate. You also have to make effort to establish the 3 mental qualities which will support the meditation. Those are mindfulness, clear comprehension and ardency (sati, sampajañña and atapi in pali). But having established those qualities the meditator has to let go of all the rest and that translates as non-doing or in other words not effort. If one continues to apply effort at this stage the meditation becomes very tiring with little progress. Hope that helps.

  • Thanks for the answer it is appreciated. The thing with Zen as I read it though is that there is no phase about establishment. Unless that is implicit. They don't seem to state it in what I have read Commented Aug 27, 2014 at 17:01
  • Maybe that is a cultural thing - it is the approach more acceptable to the Japanese culture. Or maybe it has to do with the idea of deconstruction, like you need a clean field to build something on it. Deconstruction would clean the mind and make it suitable for insights. But maybe this would only work for certain people or within a certain cultural context. It may imply a dependence/subjection/complete trust on the teacher/master.
    – dhammarak
    Commented Aug 28, 2014 at 21:42

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