If see the citta during meditation how it links to depend origin?is seeing the citta cause liberation as sotapanna?

  • The question is hard to answer as it appears the question assumes various non-sequiturs. – Yeshe Tenley Jun 13 '18 at 16:38

In net site named 'pure dhamma " based on tripitaka, there is mention of four stages sotapanna(stream enterer),once returner, non returner and fourth i don't remember now. once the sotapanna stage is reached. the stream of dhamma carry away us unless we resist by our own efforts to the destination of nibbana. In your question you have mentioned seeing the chitta . Did you mean observing the chitta?.I guess it is observing the chitta . In the dependent origination chain the point at which the mind reacts is important. Hence if chitta is observed for arising of thoughts,emotions etc etc and when not reacted with craving/aversion the vinnana (consciousness) does not get impetus to prolong its being/becoming. But there there is no end . innumerous kammavipakas (sankharas-volitions giving rise to action) we have in our bank balance of our travel of becoming since numerous lives, kamma vipaka stored . Too much of work to do. Liberation is liberation from these stored kamma vipakas. Sotapanna is one out of four stages of liberation. These kamma vipakas are such that ,even buddha after attaining enlightenment had 11 nos of it which manifested in body/knee pain ,acute stomach ache in him. The benefits of attaining sotapanna are very well elaborated in above mentioned site. but attaining sotapanna is far far away from liberation. you could imagine from above mentioned example of buddha. the journey is long long long . But there are lot many examples in various suttas about attainment of arahat stage in mere seven days or less of sunitha , a person carrying village garbage/feces and just happened to cross buddha on his way and receiving diksha from buddha.,and that with regards to ananda ,closest disciple, maximum stayed with buddha attained arahat hood after the mahaparinirvan(death) of buddha. we don't know at what stage we were in our previous birth. But we are inquisitive/curious about dhamma in our present life shows that we were travellers on the path of dhamma.A humble little effort to put some light on your question.


List of things lead to Sotapana

  1. 5 Percept
  2. No doubt about buddha teach.
  3. Don’ forget about death/ Don’t stick too much with body

These are first 3 of Samyojana 10. Keep do this until strong and familiar enough.

Meditation was important to help you achieve these 3 easier.


For sotapanna, the mind must know the absence of craving & attachment is peacefulness and liberation. Here, the mind will have no doubt about the Teachings, will not cling to unnecessary rules and will know 'self' is not anything real. For sotapanna (noble disciple), the luminous citta must be experienced. The Pali suttas say:

Luminous, monks, is the mind (citta). And it is freed from incoming defilements. The well-instructed disciple of the noble ones discerns that as it actually is present, which is why I tell you that — for the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones — there is development of the mind.

Pabhassara Sutta

  • So the thoughts coming up and inbetween there are spaces .Is that the luminous citta? – user12686 Apr 20 '18 at 6:30
  • It is best to know the luminous citta when there are no thoughts. – Dhammadhatu Apr 20 '18 at 8:42
  • @Dhammadhatu is that vinnyana which have experience. – user12686 Apr 20 '18 at 13:31
  • during meditation practice saw concept of self has disappeared experience there is no control as a self. There after no viscera thoughts arise . What is tha – user12686 May 4 '18 at 15:43
  • DD, you mentioned that the luminous citta must be experienced. So I assume that one has to be in the third tetrad of anapanasati in order to achieve sotapana? – Val Jun 11 '18 at 14:46

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