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It's very common for unmarried adult Asians in Asia to continue to live with their parents. Some choose to move out once they're married, some people for some reasons choose to stay even after they're married.

One of the object of transgression of the third precept is having intercourse with those "protected by parents". My understanding is, generally speaking, protected children are underaged children, children who are vulnerable to unwanted advances and financially dependent.

In the case of a married adult couple who is already mature and independent but can't afford to buy a house therefore the adult child with his wife live with his parents in his parents' house, does this count as "protected by parents"? How should one determine the scope of "protected by parents" according to the precept?

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I am confident that a married couple who live with their parents are not in violation of the precept against sexual misconduct. If anything the question would apply to the marriage decision (asking parents for consent), but certainly not sexual activity that happens after the marriage.

IMHO the point is that you need consent before having sex, and in the case of young people, you should not treat their own consent as acceptable because they are too young to decide, so any time you aren't sure, their parents should be involved in the decision. Honestly that sounds horrible either way, but we can imagine young people getting married and how the consent of parents would often be a factor in that union not being misconduct, especially in an ancient society.

  • But is living in your parents' house can be considered as a sign of dependency? What is the difference then with children who still receive support from their parents? – B1100 Feb 13 '18 at 13:48
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Once you become married, you are the guardian of your partner. So you do not break the 3rd precept regardless of where you live. Parents continue to support you out of the goodness of their hearts. It does not make them your guardians once you become adults. They can kick you out at any time and be in the right.

  • Her/his partner may provide support such as food and clothing but when it comes to dwelling it is not theirs, it is their parents who provide the protection. Are you saying the "protection" status is automatically ceased once someone gets married? Can you provide the source for this? – B1100 Feb 13 '18 at 10:52
  • I doubt there's a Sutta that defines guardianship. Commentaries might have more information. Guardianship status is usually decided by the society you live in. By your logic, if you stay at your friend's house for the weekend, your friend becomes your guardian and you would have to ask for his permission to be with your own wife. :) – Sankha Kulathantille Feb 13 '18 at 12:13
  • What if it was your friend who gave you a house to live out of friendship? Would you ask him permission to be with your own wife? :) If you don't have a house, you can go live in the streets like beggars. One you become an adult, any help given by parents don't make them your guardians. – Sankha Kulathantille Feb 13 '18 at 14:24
  • Already answered in the previous comment – Sankha Kulathantille Feb 13 '18 at 15:02
  • A house from a friend is a form of gift not a support as provided by parents. The concern is not about the permission but rather someone becomes an object of transgression because he still receives a dwelling support from parents. "One you become" an adult", any help given by parents don't make them your guardians", did you mean "married adults" because AFAIK just because someone is an adult that doesn't guarantee him not receiving support such as food, etc from parents. – B1100 Feb 14 '18 at 3:35
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To my knowledge, there are no teachings in the suttas that refer to sex outside of marriage as part of the Buddhist path. Every teaching about sex I have read is referred to in the context of marriage (e.g. AN 4.55; AN 4.53). Any sex outside of marriage is obviously motivated solely by lust (rather than mostly by compassion), which is unwholesome according to the suttas (MN 9, which states lust is the root of the unwholesome). Therefore, it is quite logical that any sex outside of marriage is a volition of the precept because it leads to hungry ghost, animal (AN 2.9) & hell realms (DN 31). Do we think a person that develops a habit towards unmarried uncommitted sex won't become a hungry ghost; similar to how men (who for some reason post on Buddhist chat sites) are often addicted to pornography?

DN 31 says parents show compassion & protection (security & safety) towards their children by arranging a suitable marriage. This is the meaning of "protected by parents"; that parents protect their children from becoming hungry ghosts & bringing shame upon the integrity of the family. Thus, that the children are married means they have been protected by their parents, regardless of where they live. For example, in the time of the Buddha, generally the married children lived in the house of the husband's parents. DN 31 says:

In five ways, young householder, a child should minister to his parents as the East:

(i) Having supported me I shall support them, (ii) I shall do their duties, (iii) I shall keep the family tradition, (iv) I shall make myself worthy of my inheritance, (v) furthermore I shall offer alms in honor of my departed relatives.

In five ways, young householder, the parents thus ministered to as the East by their children, show their compassion:

(i) they restrain them from evil, (ii) they encourage them to do good, (iii) they train them for a profession, (iv) they arrange a suitable marriage, (v) at the proper time they hand over their inheritance to them.

In these five ways do children minister to their parents as the East and the parents show their compassion to their children. Thus is the East covered by them and made safe and secure.

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Didn't Siddhārtha Gautama live in his father's palace after he married (and before he went forth)?

But I haven't heard a suggestion that that was immoral (only that it was impermanent and not ultimately-satisfying).

It seems to me obvious what "protected" means. For example, in contemporary Western society when my girlfriend and I started "dating" each other as teenagers, that was with our parents' permission ... it's for example when you're living with your parents, and when you're going to be "out" you tell your parents where you're going, and who with, and what time you're going to be back, and who will be driving, and the parents can say "yes" or "no" or set conditions.

Also I guess that when you're married and living with your parents, parents have already said "yes".

Also I guess that "living with parents after marriage" is pretty normal, not modern -- maybe in a new house on the same land. I'd guess that rather it's the nuclear family that's relatively modern (and not altogether a good thing).

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