I have often been told that nirvana is not a state or entity, because there are no real states or entities in Mahayana Buddhism.

If so, is that nirvanisation (a word I've seen for the process of coming to enlightenment) a state for those that undergo it?

  • i can cite for the 1st clause, if you like? – sorta_buddhist Sep 30 '17 at 13:48
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    Why is Nirvana not state? – ruben2020 Sep 30 '17 at 14:04
  • @ruben2020 just a well known piece of scholarship, i think. let me find st to cite – sorta_buddhist Sep 30 '17 at 14:30
  • @ruben2020 looks like i can't find the sd scholarship, and it's just something i've been repeatedly told by a scholar. hm, not sure about the question, now – sorta_buddhist Sep 30 '17 at 15:09

Nirvana cannot be a process because this would make Nirvana 'conditioned'.

Nirvana is a state (dhamma; ṭhānaṃ) or a sense object/base (ayatana; Udana 8.1).

There is, bhikkhus, that base (ayatana) where there is no earth, no water, no fire, no air; no base consisting of the infinity of space, no base consisting of the infinity of consciousness, no base consisting of nothingness, no base consisting of neither-perception-nor-non-perception; neither this world nor another world nor both; neither sun nor moon. Here, bhikkhus, I say there is no coming, no going, no staying, no deceasing, no uprising. Not fixed, not movable, it has no support. Just this is the end of suffering. Ud 8.1

'This Dhamma that I have attained is deep, hard to see, hard to realize, peaceful, refined, beyond the scope of conjecture, subtle, to-be-experienced by the wise. But this generation delights in attachment, is excited by attachment, enjoys attachment. For a generation delighting in attachment, excited by attachment, enjoying attachment, this/that conditionality & dependent co-arising are hard to see. This state (ṭhānaṃ), too, is hard to see: the calming of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbana. MN 26


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  • well your answer is fine, a little motontonic, as you avoid the non cogntiion of emptiness, non abiding, and the term "nirvanised" which was what i was getting at the question. but i can't see a better one – sorta_buddhist Sep 30 '17 at 23:19
  • Nirvana & emptiness are cognitions & abidings (MN 151), at least in Pali Buddhism. Regards – Dhammadhatu Sep 30 '17 at 23:39

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