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is buddhism is not certainly the idealism or materialisn?Buddhism philosophy is about the consequence mechanism about five elements* and those elements aren't viewed as the material,antimatter or spirit.But the motion and change of them is showing that Buddha or at least the nearest original of his book want to say that the motion and objective reality(material or time) is real,and it sounds like materialism.But the motion is come from,where?isn't it an conscious,thinking of mind construct from data,to create the motion,the time concept and feeling about it?Some time buddhism mention about mind,but doesn't it say the mind is a part of motion of elements?
* fundamental elements (vietnamese: ngũ uẩn)

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    "...But the motion and change of them is showing that Buddha or at least the nearest original of his book want to say that the motion and objective reality(material or time) is real..." - please provide a reference to this statement and preferably to where question-body is copy-pasted from. – Lanka Sep 29 '17 at 15:18
  • there's no copied pasted from any where,i had referred a Vietnamese word dumb – Lan... Sep 30 '17 at 0:43
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    Could you add a reference to the book or text? – Lanka Sep 30 '17 at 6:36
  • no that's my thinking stream,you have to research much to understand what i said. – Lan... Sep 30 '17 at 8:04
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Buddhism points out that both are concepts, reality is free of concepts (unless we impose them).

In my experience concepts like idealism etc. are deeply ingrained, unlike "my nose is itchy", so it's useful to remember they're just in my head.

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Material(rupa) is ultimate reality in Buddhism. The mind(citta) is an ultimate reality too. Cittas come one by one very fast and each lasts for an extremely short period of time. The more we are mindful, the more we can see these cittas. If we aren't mindful, like most people(unfortunately), we can't see the individual cittas that make up our stream of consciousness or our mind stream very well because they blur together.

It's not that "Conceptual Reality" is wrong, The entire Tipitaka is conceptual. Among the many purposes of the Buddha's teaching, is making us understand the difference between "Ultimate Reality" and "Conceptual Reality" because we usually just blur the two realities together.

  • I hope I understood the question. Anyway, spiritual materialism is about how one treats the spiritual world the same way they treat the material world? – Lowbrow Sep 29 '17 at 18:47
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Yes without going to the extremes existence and non-existence or eternalism and nihilism Buddha taught the middle path which is Dependent Origination.

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