In saccapabba of mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta:

  • Jāti is "khandhānaṃ patubhāvo" and "āyatanānaṃ paṭilābho".
  1. Khandhānaṃ patubhāvo included viññāṇa-khandha.
    1. Viññāṇa-khandha is viññāṇa-paṭiccasamuppāda.
    2. Rūpa-paṭiccasamuppāda is rūpa-khandha. 
    3. Nāma-paṭiccasamuppāda is vedanā-, saññā-, saṇkhāra-khandha (cetana, phassa, manasikāra; see: sammādiṭṭhisuttaṃ).
  2. Those nāma- and rūpa-paṭiccasamuppāda are piyarūpa/sātarūpa.
    1. 60 piyarūpa/sātarūpa: 6 outer āyatana, 6 āyatana-paṭiccasamuppāda, 6 viññāṇa-paṭiccasamuppāda, and 42 nāma-paṭiccasamuppāda  (6 vedana-paṭiccasamuppāda, 6 saññā-khandha, 6x5 saṇkhāra-khandha [phassa-paṭiccasamuppāda, cetanā-paṭiccasamuppāda, vitakka, vicāra, taṇhā-paṭiccasamuppāda]).

So jāti-paṭiccasamuppāda is viññāna-paṭiccasamuppāda.

The difference is:
    Jhāti-paṭiccasamuppāda is 5 khandha. So jāti is a conclusion of viññāna, nāma+rūpa, āyatana, phassa, vedanā, taṇhā, upādāna and bhavā-paṭiccasamuppāda. But viññāṇa-paṭiccasamuppāda is an explanation of jhāti.

So Sacca-pabba Is The Reason That Commentary Commented "Viññāṇa Is Jāti And Paṭisandhi", Right?

  • This might help to close the circle) if liking to find out "alone" or in certain ways. In regard of possible seeking explainings under the "poor", it might be good if Nyom Warapol adds useful english therm to the Pali. Of course just for the secound case. Clinging to illusions, like Jāti (Jeat), or other clinging to kind of "nationality" is a very hindrence for insight, nivarana. – Samana Johann Oct 2 '17 at 9:09
  • This approach is much more helpful and loyal in all regards, it hurt mostly our self if we get loyal to jāti and give mānā to much rise. – Samana Johann Oct 2 '17 at 9:17
  • What is sacca pabba? What does that mean? – ruben2020 Mar 9 at 6:59
  • SaccaPabba buddha-vacana.org/sutta/digha/dn22.html#4E – Bonn Mar 9 at 8:23


"Khandhānaṃ patubhāvo" means "appearance or manifestation of aggregates". For example, pictured below is the same basic aggregates manifesting in two different ways.

When ignorance sees the 1st manifestation, it produces "a being" called "sweet lovely girl".

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When ignorance sees the 2nd manifestation, it produces "a being" called "evil horrible dragon".

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"Ayatanānaṃ paṭilābho" is not "salayatana" ("six sense bases"). If it was, the Buddha would have said "salayatana paṭilābho".

There are many suttas that use the word "paṭilābho", both physically but mostly mentally, such as the "acquisition of wisdom". The "acquisition of wisdom" is not merely acquiring superficial knowledge but transformational wisdom that changes the quality of the mind & destroys defilements. Similarly, but conversely, "ayatanānaṃ paṭilābho" means to mentally "take in" a sense object; so the mind fuses with the sense object to such a degree that the mind completely believes in the illusion of the sense object as "real". The ignorant mind totally falls for the sense object, such as believing the two photographs above are of a "girl" rather than are merely "aggregates, sense objects & elements".

As for "paṭisandhi", the Buddha never taught it. The Buddhist clergy invented "Paṭisandhi Vinnana" -- the Buddha did not teach "Paṭisandhi Vinnana". It does not exist in reality. "Paṭisandhi Vinnana" is for Eternalists who are too scared to contemplate impermanence.

  • DD, how far does it help to reflect that persons are just mere aggregates and elements? Is reflection sufficient to at least reduce conceit, ignorance and craving, or must it be realized via mediation? – Val Mar 10 at 8:42
  • Probably some samadhi & samatha are helpful to provide a foundation of peace. We wouldn't want people going crazy trying to depersonalize "beings" into aggregates & elements. Above, I am merely explaining what teachings mean. I am not recommending it be practised if the practise is unsuitable. Obviously what I wrote is unsuitable for anyone that believes in "Paṭisandhi Vinnana". – Dhammadhatu Mar 10 at 11:27

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