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This is a question formed from an anecdotal experience, if this means that it is unsuitable for this format, I have no problem with it being removed.

Specifically, after seeing the news about a mass shooter, shooting out of jealousy; I felt a temporarily release from any jealousy I had myself. Can this be actual insight according to Theravada sources?

  • The insight comes in more if you were able to understand WHY you did that as opposed to that it actually happened. – Sāmaṇera Jayantha Jul 1 '14 at 17:03
  • Well, I read the "manifesto" of the shooter and the main thing that stuck with me was how tainted his thinking had become. He started hating his loved ones even to point of contemplating killing his brother. It was as if I finally understood how destructive envy could be and I didn't want to be part of that. – DirkM Jul 1 '14 at 17:07
  • I might be digressing but maybe this can offer some insight: an average person seems as delusional to someone who has subdued their ego as that kid seems to an average person. – user70 Jul 1 '14 at 19:02
  • There is nothing that is not meditation. – dgo Jul 2 '14 at 3:02
  • @user1167442 Can you elaborate? To me this sounds similar to someone saying, "sitting on the couch eating potato chips is a form of exercise." – user70 Jul 2 '14 at 3:44
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It seems appropriate to turn my comments into an answer.

One of the problems that confounds religious practice in all major traditions is the attachment to words. Words are both the barrier to understanding and the only tools available to teachers (for the most part) to point people towards awakening.

Insight is defined as:

  1. an instance of apprehending the true nature of a thing, especially through intuitive understanding

  2. penetrating mental vision or discernment; faculty of seeing into inner character or underlying truth.

dictionary.com

There is no such thing as Buddhistic Insight (how does one know if their insight is Buddhistic?) If insight depended on the teachings of Buddha or anyone else, then Buddha would've been unable to attain insight; Christ would not have come to know what he did; etc.

Buddha, Christ, and any other teacher (no names spring to mind) of their caliber and effectiveness found a way of creating a teaching in the language of their era that resonated with the existing social and religious beliefs of their era. I think this is a critical distinction.

Buddha spoke about reincarnation as he built his teaching in a part of the world where almost all people already had a view of the world that included reincarnation - and many were likely attached to that understanding. As far as I know, Christ never mentions reincarnation - at least not in any form that remotely resembles the Buddhist or Hindu view of reincarnation.

Buddha found a way to use the already existing teaching as a vehicle to point people towards the Self. (see skillful means)

Christ did the same.

As to the original question.

One need not necessarily depend on the words of the ancients, but must only think of what is really true. - Dogen

Think about the paradox of your question. You experienced something you call temporarily release from any jealousy I had. That's awesome!

Unfortunately, the validation you were likely looking for with your question will probably do nothing other than serve as a barrier to your understanding. You will have a new 'idol' to worship:

"I had a genuine Buddhistic insight."

Regarding the above quote from Dogen in relation to this: What is true is, you can and will never know. Why carry the insight along with you? The insight will be valuable to the degree you use it - or let it use you. What is it you got when you felt the jealousy dissipate? Did you suddenly see the vanity and stupidity of human actions in a clearer light? That is what there is to meditate on; to consider. Who cares where it came from?

There is great wisdom in your insight, and there is no bottom to it. The deeper your insight penetrates, the deeper your understanding will be. Genuine mastery is never a place one arrives but a place one comes from.

Enjoy your insights but never cling to them. Yesterday's insight is today's ego trip.

  • Thank you for your answer, I think you are right in many ways. – DirkM Jul 2 '14 at 13:33
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It's similar to going to a funeral, seeing the dead body and realizing that your turn is coming too. Jealousy is a subset of aversion. Aversion is 1 of the 3 evil roots that causes suffering. So if you realized that and got rid of your jealousy, that's inline with Buddhist insight.

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Yes, people are known to reach enlightenment and even full liberation without any knowledge of Buddhism or use of teachers and guides.

In my opinion, thinking, "What I practice is the only way," is a form of pride and a way for people to hold themselves above others.

  • Attaining enlightenment without any knowledge of Buddhism(Dhamma) is technically impossible. – Sankha Kulathantille Jul 1 '14 at 19:07
  • @Sankha Kulathantille Agree to disagree. – user70 Jul 1 '14 at 19:11
  • Even a Pacceka Buddha has to realize the Four Noble truth to become enlightened. The Four Noble Truths belong to the Dhamma. – Sankha Kulathantille Jul 1 '14 at 19:46
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    One need not necessarily depend on the words of the ancients, but must only think of what is really true. - Dogen – dgo Jul 2 '14 at 4:25
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    I recommend taking the discussion to chat, as comments are really just for clarification and may be deleted. – Hrafn Jul 2 '14 at 5:07

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