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Even before the Buddha, the wheel of birth and death was a common teaching in India, with the six stages or realms. This is something that has passed down into Buddhism (even today). What did the Buddha add to this traditional teaching, and how does the Buddhist conception of samsara differ from this older teaching?

  • "From earlier Indian traditionS" as there was many traditions, even in Vedas. – catpnosis Jun 28 '14 at 19:11
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    @catpnosis I was using tradition as a mass noun, not a countable noun. "Indian tradition" can include all the different teachings, beliefs, folk wisdom, or cultural backgrounds from that region. – Dan Hulme Jun 28 '14 at 19:49
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I’m not sure what you mean by six stages here. Actually, it seems that the rebirth/samsara concept was not that old when Buddhism came on the scene. Gananath Obeyesekere is an anthropologist who wrote a book about rebirth across a range of cultures. He begins by trying to situate the Buddhist idea of ethical rebirth in the history of Indian religion:

I will begin with Hinduism and the problem of origins. The association between karma and rebirth is not at all clear in the earliest texts and discourses on Indic religions. There are virtually no references to rebirth or to an ethical notion of karma in the Vedas or in the BrāhmaNas, the oldest texts belonging to the Hindu tradition. The first significant references appear in an early Upanishad, the BRhadāraNyaka UpaniSad, probably composed sometime before the sixth century BCE, followed by the Chāndogya and the KauSītaki. A hundred years or more later these theories appear in full bloom in the so-called heterodox religions – particularly in Buddhism and Jainism – that have karma and rebirth at the center of their escatological thinking. Soon afterward these ideas surface in mainstream Hinduism itself and become an intrinsic part of the eschatological premises of virtually all Indic religions.

Karma in the Vedas and karma in Buddhism are different:

The word karma, which etymologically means “action,” has the meaning of “ritual action” in Vedic (pre-Buddhist and pre-Upanishadic) thought, where it is neither fundamentally ethical nor related to rebirth. By contrast, in Buddhism karma refers to intentional ethical action that determines the nature and place of rebirth, and this definition of karma has influenced the many Hinduisms that came after.

In The Wonder that was India, A. L. Basham writes about “transmigration” as a new development in Indic religion:

As Āryan culture pressed further down the Ganges it absorbed new ideas about the after-life. In the Rg Veda the fate of the dead seems to have been finally decided when they died – they went either to the “World of the Fathers” or to the “House of Clay”, where they remained indefinitely.

Basham cites the same Upanishad text as Obesekere as the first appearance of the rebirth doctrine, but in a “primitive” form. In this text, he points out,

this doctrine [...] is put forward as a rare and new one, and was not universally held at the time of the composition of the UpaniSad. Even in the days of the Buddha, transmigration may not have been believed in by everyone, but it seems to have gained ground very rapidly in the 7th and 6th centuries BC.

It’s impossible for us to know if the rebirth concept came from some other tradition within India, since no texts have survived. Anyway, it seems to have been “in the air” during the Buddha’s lifetime. Probably the intellectual appeal of the concept, the justification it gives to ethical behavior, helped Buddhism spread and establish itself. Also, the whole point of Obeyesekere’s book is that this idea is not unique to India – you also find it in Native American cultures, for instance.

Sources (bold text is my emphasis):

Gananath Obesekere, Imagining Karma: Ethical Transformation in Amerindian, Buddhist and Greek Rebirth (U. of California Press, 2002), pp. 1-2.

A.L. Basham, The Wonder that was India, (Rupa 3rd ed., 1967), p. 242.

  • i want to let you know that Buddha was NOT born in India but in Nepal...! – DemoUser Oct 28 '14 at 0:04
  • It is unlikely that the Buddha pioneered the idea that karma determines rebirth or even rebirth itself, as Jainism already had it, and predates Buddhism. – ruben2020 Oct 20 '15 at 6:01
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One main distinction is that Buddha pointed out that the Devas and Brahma has a finite life where at that time some were aiming to be born in these relms believing that these planes are eternal.

Also another main distinction is that many believed in a eternal soul which is transmitted on death. Buddha rejected the existence of an everlasting soul travelling through Samsara.

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The philosophy of transmigration is central to Buddhist philosophy and is to be understood alongside the concept of "no self".

But the origins of the concept of transmigration go way back further in time into the misty aeons of the Aboriginal spiritual practices on the Australian continent.

In fact the concept of rebirth appears always to be related to the beliefs surrounding the Nagas. In Australia the nagas materialise as the 'rainbow serpents' right across the country and the serpents are intricately involved with the rebirth of phenomena in one form or another and also are considered a manifestation of the underlying energies of the creative essence.

In fact the serpent figures feature prominently in ancient rock art considered to be in excess of 35,000 BCE showing a continuity of spiritual belief systems that challenge most current concepts of the evolution of spirituality and its origins.

I mention these facts only to illustrate that the Australian and Indian continents seem to share many primordial origins, but that's not relevant here. The absence of the concept of 'non-violence' or of karmic ethics in Australia possibly points to the hunting/planting/gathering nature of the economic realities in Australia rather than the kind of spiritual evolution that agricultural and sedentary societies became capable of evolving on the Indian subcontinent in more recent times. Several anthropological studies have reflected on the comparable metaphysical capabilities of highly trained Australian adept/elders and counterparts in Vajrayana Buddhism in Tibet.

This is simply a clarification of the conceptual origins of transmigration rather than an observation on Buddhist philosophy but the relationship has for many years intrigued me as being more than just coincidental.

  • This doesn't answer the question, which asks for a comparison of the Buddha's conception of samsara with the earlier Indian tradition of samsara. – ChrisW Oct 20 '15 at 11:15
  • Welcome to the site, Chris. You might like to start by looking at the help center, which shows you how the Q&A nature of this site is different from a discussion site or forum. I thought your point was interesting and relevant, even if it was a bit of a tangent to the question. – Dan Hulme Oct 20 '15 at 11:40

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