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How many monks does it take to ordain a new monk? How many monks does it take to create a new Sangha?

I've read this before, now I can't find it.

I think these are very old rules & are similar across different traditions.

Note. I already know that schism is considered the worst thing in the universe by traditional Buddhism.

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Quorum of 10 of 10 years standing, 5 in border areas. 5 is the quorum generally outside India. [page 108, Theravada Buddhism: A Social History from Ancient Benares to Modern Colombo (The Library of Religious Beliefs and Practices) 2nd Edition by Richard F. Gombrich]

The quorum to perform a patimokkha ceremony is 4 [page 110, Theravada Buddhism: A Social History from Ancient Benares to Modern Colombo (The Library of Religious Beliefs and Practices) 2nd Edition by Richard F. Gombrich]

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