The fifth precept started off as a ban on the drinking of alcohol. It has since been expanded to ban the use of intoxicants. Is tobacco also forbidden under the fifth precept?
1Forget the fifth! How about the first??– user698Jan 19, 2016 at 2:18
1Body is chariot, senses are charioteer, mind and heart(i am yet to learn this kind of perception & reason on this state, spiritually and scientifically) are advisors. Don't think too much, stay healthy, do not harm your nature or any other, practice what you think-observe and do not be afraid of practise, 'what is good for all and everything'.– jitinJan 19, 2016 at 7:56
Yes smoking is included.
This document, Five Precepts, says the following about the fifth precept:
There are four conditions for the partaking of intoxicants.
i) There must be an intoxicant.
ii) There must be the intention of taking it.
iii) Action must be taken to ingest it.
iv) There must be actual ingestion of the intoxicant.
Condition (iv) states clearly that the precept is broken once the intoxicant is ingested intentionally. It does not matter whether one is intoxicated or not as a result of the action.
In taking medicines containing alcohol or intoxicating drugs for medical reasons, no breach of the precept is committed. This is because one's intention is to take the medicine to cure one's sickness.
See also this description, The Five Precepts pañca-sila:
Suramerayamajja pamadatthana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from intoxicating drinks and drugs which lead to carelessness.
I always approached the precepts as very important guidelines rather than rigid rules for banning one's actions.
Certainly, while on the eightfold path, if one intakes a substance that even subtlety clouds the mind then that substance would lead to one's suffering and the suffering of those around one. The more one understands this and the more one sees things as they are, the more one will follow the presepts naturally like a river follows the best way down the side of a mountain.-Metta
There's a Zen story titled, Non-Attachment, which I read as having suggested that it's better to avoid it:
"How pleasant this smoking is ... Such pleasant things may disturb meditation. Before this goes too far, I will stop now." So he threw the smoking outfit away.
Tobacco packaging (in this country) has labelling like, "Smoking Kills" -- so I guess it shouldn't be recommended!
On the other hand, there are some monks who smoke (see Why do Thai monks smoke?), so I guess it's not technically against the five precepts. On the other hand: addiction, eh?
I suppose that nicotine withdrawal causes heedlessness -- so (unless you're willing and able to chain-smoke for the rest of your shortened life) I suspect it isn't recommended and in my opinion is contrary to the spirit of the fifth precept.
If smoking, as long as not intoxicant things, it does not violate the precept, but since it is most common sense please one goes against what is good in the frame on Dhamma. Yet it is a sense pleasure which causes very less harm for others. Driving for example a car or being after chocolate or burger is over all more harmful. Smoking is somehow the bad child under the really bad and much worthier under the overabundance of sense drugs.
The point of abstaining from intoxicants is "making one heedless" and so act mostly very unwholsome and unskillful.
To raise the argument that it causes heedlessness it one does not get it, and therefore it is to be seen as causing heedlessness is pointless. If such argument would be valid your woman or you child would be causing even more heedlessness. So that is merely not so well thought. People living indulged in attachments and drugs with cause them permanently heedlessness if not gaining or possible to maintaining the pleasure out of it.
Surfing in internet or this or that food kill far more, not only one self but a lot of other beings to be provided. There are less "drugs" which are in its hole so less harmful like smoking, yet for sure also harmful especially for ones own health.
Monks are even explicit allowed to smoke pipe and keep certain items for it (MV.VI.13, Mahāvagga VI.01-15 6. Bhesajjakkhandhako). Of course here it seems to have certain health usage.
How ever, is best to let go, if there is a possibility (effort to keep mindfulness arosen, nothing else is needed to abound it) but Atma would see less reason to change ones addiction just to another if it would be not something lesser harmful, the point where Buddhas medicine for certain joy comes in: doing Jhana (meditation)
At least, one who has touched an amount of liberation will find it more easy to let go of all kind of sensuality.
Matters of Sila and virtue is for sure not not disturbing others with ones smoke and a matter of concern is also not to encourage smoking and if certain addicted to stay ashamed and seclusive when indulging in it.
(Note: this answer has not been given with the agreement to be means of trade or the purpose of/for trade and/or keep people trapped and bound. How you handle it lies in your sphere, but does not excuse the deed here either.)
I think that references to smoking in the monastic code were in the context of medicinal purposes. Jan 16, 2016 at 0:05
Yes, it seem like that and is mentioned in the answer.– user7586Jan 16, 2016 at 0:15
1Does the definition of what substances are considered "medicinal" change? So far as I know, medical doctors no longer recommend smoking tobacco (also the original references to "smoking" couldn't have been references to "tobacco", assuming that tobacco was unknown until the New World was discovered). I thought of mentioning it in my answer but for these reason decided it wasn't relevant to the question. Jan 16, 2016 at 0:21
Opinions in regard of medicals change as fast as mind in this world. Atma knows less modern medicine which does not cause more harm as it helps. In allowing certain medicals the Buddha did not play doctor but was more concerned of what things are causing other living beings harm So for example medicine made from animals are not very promoted so are medicals made form soil. Practice is always a matter of "for one self and for others". If the only addiction would be tobacco in the world, it would be as peaceful as it is, but since people "taboo" such for a "development" purpose it grows otherwis– user7586Jan 16, 2016 at 0:29
People who walk against smoking (at least to have something that they look better) are no match for a smoking yogi or monk, no match at all in all regard, for one self and for all other beings.– user7586Jan 16, 2016 at 0:32
Fifth precept exist because of few reasons. Addictive drugs and beverages are not only unhealthy they are severe distractions for someone on path.
Now let's look at smocking,
First of all i am not a smoker :-) but here is the full story.
As lord Buddha taught there is a thing called dependent arising. Alcohol,cigars,cigarettes,other drugs have a negative effect on the body of the user which effect brain directly and instantly and total health in the long run.Lord Buddha directly said that Health is the true wealth.
Your brain is the center of the thought process and if something happens to your brain you are left with your sub consciousness. That is not how a Buddhist deal with things, we as Buddhist rely on our conscious thoughts (Mindfulness). And as lord Buddha has said beings should not harm their lives and it is bad Karma if you do so. Doing any drug is equal to poisoning yourself slowly to your death, because eventually what happens is that you by conscious choice harm your body which results younger death.
And as we all know smoking is an addiction, There is no taste,comfort or and aid to the body from smoking. There is only the joy of consuming. As Lord Buddha clearly said addictions are bad for the path.
Clearly there is no possible perspective in which addictions like smocking or any other addiction can be justified. If you smoke take time but come out of it never to return.
May triple gems bless you!
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Feb 5, 2016 at 10:41
Its very simple.
If you're bored/frustrated with life as it is, you look to external stimulants to give you a lift because you don't wish to face life, as it is and as you are.
Smoking/Drinking are stimulants/intoxicants and alter your state of mind. Your breathing changes. Your experience becomes more and more subject to external stimulation.
Please see that it is not about wrong or right. I can't stress this point enough. The moment you think about wrong or right, you're starting to put unwanted curbs on freedom. It is natural to want to do/try something because everyone else seems to do it. But on the other hand, it is about your experience of life.
Reflect on the following question.
Do you want an unsullied/pure experience of life's moments? Or do you just want to zip through it?
Master hsuan Hứa from the City of ten thousands buddhas said that smoking makes the bodhisatvas not protect you:
5 Precepts Talk by Venerable Master Hsuan Hua
The smell from smoking is terrible. Not only does it make a person smell bad outside, it also makes the inside of his body smells bad. Bodhisattvas and Dharma-protecting good spirits will not want to protect you when they find out you smell like smoke. No matter how much merit and virtue you may have, they will leave you alone and you will have many accidents happen to you. We don't have to talk about others, currently there is one person among us who smoked stealthily and caused a very dangerous incident to occur. It happened because he was smoking, but he still doesn't realize it.
People who smoke will fall into the hell of Flames after they die. The hell of Flames is especially prepared for smokers. Whoever likes to smoke has the chance to go down there. If you refrain from smoking, you will cut off the path that leads to the hell of Flames. If you don't, however, you will have a share of it in the future. People do not know the seriousness of such matters and do whatever they like. When you understand, you will not do it. Smoking is a more severe problem then drinking. Why didn't Shakyamuni Buddha prohibit smoking but disallowed drinking? It is because during that time when the Buddha was in the world no one knew how to smoke.
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