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My understanding of S.N. Goenka's method for learning Vipassana meditation is that the student is introduced to meditation in a 10 day retreat in which he or she sits in silent meditation for almost all his or her waking hours. This seems a daunting way to introduce meditation to a newcomer. Also, for many people, it could be difficult to arrange for 10 days without family or work obligations. Thus, I ask: What does the student gain by through an introduction to meditation via a "marathon" retreat?

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    The question seems rather too opinion-based to really provide an answer. I personally have good experience with Goenka's Vipassana. Apart from a strict 10-day retreat really offering a good opportunity to overcome some initial troubles it has the advantage, that you don't have to pay a fixed sum of money in advance for something you do not yet know. – zwiebel Jun 24 '14 at 14:49
  • My initial impression was this was a rant partially disguised as a question. It would be beneficial to reformulate the question based on the potential merit of novices attending long retreats. – DharmaEater Jul 11 '14 at 15:16
  • @DharmaEater: While I obviously consider Goenka's introduction to be a bit extreme for most people, the question wasn't meant as a rant. I've rephrased it in an effort to make it less rant-like. If there's further discussion to be had, maybe we should move to the chat. – GreenMatt Aug 20 '14 at 20:13
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    @Anthony: The effort to improve the title is appreciatated, but I've rolled back the edit as the new title missed the nature of the question – GreenMatt May 30 '15 at 21:10
  • It is a daunting introduction, very few people could do this. But if you want something enough, you will pay any price. To be immersed in something, anything, for ten days with no practical or other distractions is a huge gift to give yourself. You could learn painting in ten days, or piano, or a new language... or insight practice. Otherwise, any of those things could take years to get as far at learning. The only question is whether this particular approach is right for you. – user2341 Jun 1 '15 at 14:54
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To put it succinctly you need to rub two pieces of wood long enough to get fire.

Likewise you need to meditate continuously for some stretch of time to see results.

As Goenka says "Continuity of practice is the secret of success".

  • Good analogy with the rubbing together of wood to create fire. +1. – Lanka May 30 '15 at 14:17
  • But if rubbing together for 10 days was just the prelude to rubbing for an hour or hours a day for years, it seems like a less good analogy. I would say it is more like starting a new learning process: immersion, then continued practice thereafter. Fire suddenly happens, and when it does, you can stop rubbing. If it only took 10 days, a lot more people would do it. – user2341 Jun 1 '15 at 14:57
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Q.What is gained by learning Vipassana meditation in long retreats?

A. You get to observe your mind and body. By observing sensations arising in your mind and body and knowing that it is impermanent, you learn not to react to it as you did in the past. So, as you practice the art of non reaction to your sensation, slowly then you become free from all sufferings.

They key here is "non-reaction", no war whatsoever with mind (craving and aversion). Just acknowledging the sensation as they are and non reaction to it is my friend, the only way to liberation. Non-reaction again i stress which i believe is the heart of this technique and logically is the only way to liberation.

You learn this technique in a 10 day retreat. Its up to you to practice the technique for rest of your life and later after you get well versed in this technique 24 hours a day.

Note: If you are going to vipassana retreat as taught by Mr. Goenka, it is tough retreat and you have to work hard but very "gently" to train your mind. It will not be easy but will be very worthwhile if you understand the technique properly. I just give you sketch, the retreat will give you whole picture.

Wheel of dhamma is spinning, since it was first launched into action by samma sam buddha.

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    But is it better to do a 10 day retreat than for example a weekend retreat, or just a weekly sit? If so, why? – GreenMatt Oct 15 '14 at 14:03
  • I am no expert to comment on this but I'll advise you to join 10 day retreat. weekly sit are for inspiration, which i personally think. First rightly understand the technique and later apply it. If you do both correctly.....your highway towards liberation is open but you yourself have to walk all the way. – Pratik Oct 16 '14 at 9:29
  • Thanks for the feedback. Are you saying that the 10 day retreat is the best (or only?) way to learn the technique? Also, in earlier iterations of this question, I discussed the difficulty many people would have getting 10 days away from work and family obligations (not to mention travel to the retreat site) and asked if it was worth all that. – GreenMatt Oct 16 '14 at 13:01
  • It is best way to learn this technique and for 10 days you develop understanding and just practice the technique. It is worth every minute if you properly understand the technique and implement it. If you just understand the technique and you dont use it then its of no use. But a proper understanding is also equally important for right implementation of technique. – Pratik Oct 17 '14 at 5:38
  • Further if you are planning to go to the retreat i advise you to refrain from any expectations of gaining. We reach dhamma centers so that we loose our old habit of craving and aversion(tug and pull of mind) and recondition our mind not to react to sensations of pain and pleasure. All benefits arising are natural by products. All the best to you! – Pratik Oct 17 '14 at 5:49
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Background. 15 years ago I went to a 10 day Vipassana Retreat. I lasted 4 days. 10 years ago I went again and finished the Retreat. I went for a 3 day Retreat this last winter. It doesn't seem to get easier. I have learned something different each time. I had been meditating 30 mins. early in the day (anapana not Vipassana) 4 months ago I decided to meditate 40 mins.(Vipassana) twice a day. I am noticing subtle changes .... changes that are giving me insight into myself. I see thoughts before they become words. I see my thoughts before becoming engulfed in them. It has given me space to see before I talk or act. I am still a victim of my thoughts at times .... but experiencing these subtle changes and the results has made all my effort a pittance in comparison to what I am starting to realize. Perhaps I am a slow learner .... and my token gesture for daily meditation was not sufficient to realize progress. The difficulty in the 10 day is part of the the process ... for me. It helped me realize that I am capable of overcoming my thoughts. I always had been one for short term rewards. Maybe until 4 months ago .... I wasn't ready for a more dedicated practice. Now I am beginning to make a conscious effort in my daily life. Body sensations and anapana when not doing sitting meditation are something I'm trying to use more in day to day life ..... I still forget much more often than not. It's okay. I have seen progress. Part of the process of progress is being okay with where I am now.

  • A very insightful answer. Thanks for sharing and welcome to Buddhism SE. – Lanka Apr 14 '16 at 17:26
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You gain an intense and unbroken continuety in meditative practice. That can be a deep and profound way to experience the dhamma through practical realization.

Especially in beginning of ones practice it is useful to get a point of reference. Buddhism is big and wide and holds a tremendous amount of teachings. One can read book after book but without any reference-point to reality, i.e. experiental knowledge gained through insight meditation, one can easily fall into the "believe or not-believe" category.

By doing an intense retreat with a teacher one will achieve insights for oneself that will serve to make one develop the first path factor of the noble eightfold path which is "Samma Ditthi, Right View". That is like our steering-wheel on the path.

If one does not achieve any insights on the retreat one will at least get a good feeling of what buddhism and meditation really is. One will also have a teacher to interact with and thats a great thing since in beginning of practice there will be a lot of questions.

Other than that one will learn a lot about oneself in such an intense retreat. One will learn about ones own limitations, sitting postures, habits, aversions, likes, wantings etc. When one spends so much time with oneself one is bound to experience the content of ones mind. That can be a profound experience, even just to get a glimpse of what really happens inside ones own mind.

One begins to see that phenomena are causally connected, that phenomena can cause new phenomena to arise and that objects will not spawn if the supporting conditions are not there or if they fall away. In an intense retreat like the 10-day retreat one could also get to see the impermanent nature of phenomena on a deeper level than the day to day level. So there are definitely a lot of advantages of these retreats.

There are also disadvantages as with everything in life. Maybe one has bodily limitations that limit one from sitting for long hours in the same position. Maybe one is stressed out and cannot focuz the mind. The point is that even if there are "bad" things that will affect one on the retreat one will get to know these things and be able to work with them. That is powerful because how often do lay-people have the oppertunity to really work deep on themselves in everyday life?

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I've done 6 days of the 10 day Goenka course after which I left due to irreconcilable philosophical disagreements both with Goenka and with the teacher. Nevertheless, I found the course to be a powerful way to improve my meditation. After meditating for 12 hours a day with no distractions, I found it very easy to meditate for an hour a day with the usual daily distractions. 10 days of meditation is what led Siddartha to enlightenment.

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    It is a big overstatement to claim that Siddhartha needed only 10 days. It was just a culmination of his long journey which started long before he was born as a prince. In Jataka tales one can read about Buddha's numerous previous lives. – Rabbit Jun 24 '14 at 16:31
  • I would be interested (and I think others probably would be, too) to hear details about your experience, both the good and the bad. I don't want to hijack this thread but it seems relevant. – Jeff Wright Apr 14 '15 at 15:45
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One need not force oneself for longer "marathon" retreats, but one must understand that the ultimate goal of Vipassana (to attain Nirvana) is very very high compared to normal human beings who do not practice Vipassana.

It takes as much as 24X7X52X7 hours (i.e. 7 years of continuous and uninterrupted Vipassana meditation) of meditation to reach the state of Nirvana.

So, it is upto us to accept this final goal, and to try to attain it in whichever possible way ...

Metta

  • Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, other than completing 7 days x 12 to 16 hours of that time to nirvana done, I don't see from your answer what is gained from Goenka's approach vs. a shorter introductory experience. – GreenMatt Apr 14 '15 at 13:37
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I was listening to a discussion just two nights ago on this subject and the comment , from a very experienced meditator was that Goenka's medutation does not have samadhi

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    That is correct. He starts with vispasana from the get-go. – user50 Jun 24 '14 at 22:58
  • This should be expectable, since "Samadhi" and "Vipassana" are two different types of meditiation. It would be malicious if Goenka would "sell" training experience in "Vipassana" and in fact would you lead to "Samadhi"-meditation. So what's the point of your remark? – Gottfried Helms Aug 21 '14 at 7:21
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    Actually, if you watch the first video (20min long) at dhamma.org, he says that the first 3 days are specifically devoted to just observing the breath. That's samatha, right? The aim is to sharpen the mind and allow your observations to become more acute. This then leads to Vipassana proper. – Jeff Wright Apr 14 '15 at 15:47

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