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Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

One who does not get it won't achieve disenchantment because he does not see the long term as the long term and is shortsighted even tho he considers the entire lifespan.

He may repeat as a mantra "impermanent phenomena are suffering" but that is just lipsevice and he does not comprehend it fully.

Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

One who does not get it won't achieve disenchantment because he does not see the long term as the long term and is shortsighted even tho he considers the entire lifespan.

He may repeat as a mantra "impermanent phenomena are suffering" but that is just lipsevice and he does not comprehend it fully.

Imo this the most explicit sutta support for rebirth;

[...]'Lord, Anathapindika the householder is diseased, in pain, severely ill. [...]Then Ven. Sariputta, having put on his robes and, taking his bowl & outer robe, went to the home of Anathapindika the householder with Ven. Ananda as his attendant.[...] Then, not long after they left, Anathapindika the householder died and reappeared in the Tusita heaven. Then Anathapindika the deva's son, in the far extreme of the night, his extreme radiance lighting up the entirety of Jeta's Grove, went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, bowed down to him and stood to one side. [...] Ven. Ananda said to the Blessed One, "Lord, that must have been Anathapindika the deva's son. Anathapindika the householder had supreme confidence in Ven. Sariputta."

"Very good, Ananda. Very good, to the extent that you have deduced what can be arrived at through logic. That was Anathapindika the deva's son, and no one else." https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.143.than.html

Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

One who does not get it won't achieve disenchantment because he he does not see the long term as the long term and is shortsighted even tho he considers the entire lifespan.

He may repeat as a mantra "impermanent phenomena are suffering" but that is just lipsevice and he does not comprehend it fully.

Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

One who does not get it won't achieve disenchantment because he does not see the long term as the long term and is shortsighted even tho he considers the entire lifespan.

He may repeat as a mantra "impermanent phenomena are suffering" but that is just lipsevice and he does not comprehend it fully.

Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

Rebirth is like consequent experience after death.

It is also consequent arising of suffering after the breakup of the body.

"Rebirth" is pivotal to the inference of all transient phenomena being classed as suffering.

For feelings to be categorically classed as suffering you need to infer the dependent origination of existence, in particular you need to infer desire as demonstrable basis for birth.

If you can't do that then one can neither prove that all desire for feeling is categorically delusional and won't be able to refute statements like this; "Pleasure in moderation is not a problem"

When one explains how feelings are bait, one needs to show that even slightest amount of desire leads to birth, aging, sickness & death by itself.

Otherwise people will just say there is no problem in pleasure if done in moderation & kept to a minimum because in the here & now (over the course of a lifespan) there are little to no apparent bad results evident for one skilled in restraint & moderation.

One who does not get it won't achieve disenchantment because he he does not see the long term as the long term and is shortsighted even tho he considers the entire lifespan.

He may repeat as a mantra "impermanent phenomena are suffering" but that is just lipsevice and he does not comprehend it fully.