Timeline for Is "impermanence" a bad translation of "anicca"?
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| Jul 10, 2019 at 17:20 | comment | added | Isuru | Yes, you are correct about anicca and nicca, I checked pali canon also. That's how its written. The meaning of these words are different any way. Thanks for the reference. With Metta! | |
| Jul 10, 2019 at 12:15 | comment | added | ChrisW♦ | @follower In MN 109 rūpaṃ niccaṃ vā aniccaṃ vā”ti? "Is form permanent or impermanent?" -- I think that's evidence that the opposite of anicca is nicca not iccha. | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 7:13 | comment | added | Isuru | Check the update part in below answer. This are practical evidences of ABCD. buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/33586/16489 | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 7:11 | comment | added | Isuru | Totally with you Chris. I'm not blaming anyone. Thats the way it supposed to happened as buddha has already mentioned that. I behave the same way as you. Want to learn from people who knows better. And help others to know what I know (when needed). Thing is as a Sri Lankan when the word Anicca (I'll use ABCD foe now) is heard its more closer to think as not getting expected than impermanence. Because Sinhala, Pali and Magadha all these languages are close. Anyway don't wanna continue this. I'll try my best not to offend anyone but to help and learn. I'll give more evidences on path with ABCD | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 7:04 | comment | added | ChrisW♦ | It would be disrespectful of me to claim, "Everyone who has translated it as 'impermanence' is wrong", so I don't suppose I'll ever do that -- instead I'm here to learn from those who have known the scriptures better than I do. Trying to argue for new definitions seems to me to be what a sectarian might do. And (as Andrei wrote), the realisation isn't wrong, only "just don't call it anicca". | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 6:39 | comment | added | Isuru | Mailnly, anicca, dukkha, anatta and aashwada (joyfulness, happy) aadinawa (danger) nissarana (dissociation) are the things in buddhism. I'll give some references later. Once the anicca is mistaken all the things get mistaken as its the heart of every thing in buddhism. Its there in pancha-upadanaskanda, its in noble dukkha, its in pati-icca-samuppada, its in meditation (anapana sathi) its every where. But when its mistaken there are lots of fault assumptions are made. Ex: sakkaya ditti=self view. People dont understand but everyone says it is. But anicca, once you realised it its forever. | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 6:30 | comment | added | Isuru | 2 things here. Anicca is translated to Sanskrit as Anithya. Where that means impermanence and nithya means permanent. Icca is the like, vote, expecting etc. And u just can't put a infront of icca (its like the usage of a, an english eg: an apple and a mango). So its Anicca. Not only you we from the child hood are taught tge same thing which anicca is impermanence. Then recently in past few years, the new definition came in to the scene. And it worked. When I say worked it even easily made the people in to dhyana levels. But you need to wash all the learnings and think from a free mind | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 6:21 | comment | added | ChrisW♦ | You seem to be trying to translate anicca as an+iccha -- so "not liked" or "not likeable" or "not something to wish for", or something like that. The usual translation or definition is as a+nicca -- so "not ongoing", "not constant". There seems to be overlap (between your definition and the conventional one) because we're taught we shouldn't wish for what's impermanent, that the impermanent isn't permanently satisfying. | |
| Jun 14, 2019 at 23:47 | comment | added | Isuru | Pati-icca-sama-uppada. When some overcome the paticcasamuppada he become arhanth as he is getting no more jathi. What is icca there? Its not knowing anicca, people getting to paticcasamuppada. All of these are bound when we think anicca with this definition. But it won’t happen because the buddhism is not accepted and understood by majority that’s the nature of it (this is told by buddha and also buddha said Only wise people get it) because the world is anicca whether we like it or not thats how it is | |
| Jun 14, 2019 at 23:43 | comment | added | Isuru | I’m not talking about Sankara. Anicca is not about sankara. Anicca is about the panchaupadanaskanda. Panchaupadanaskanda is anicca. Why because it is what you build in your mind. And also we build panchaupadanaskanda in our mind without knowing the panchaskanda in anicca. That’s why when someone realizes the anicca nature ( there are some other facts to understand as well ) he stop running after things which is the starting point of dropping sakkaya ditti (not the self view but thinking the world is worth) | |
| Jun 14, 2019 at 23:05 | comment | added | Isuru | “Logically, ‘dissociation from what is liked is anicca” this is wrong. Here what you should think is the ‘like’ part. That likeness has come because not knowing that is anicca. But he thinks it will be the way he wants it. Not to get what we want is dukkha is directly about anicca. The other things anicca is hidden in the attachment (like etc.) part | |
| Jun 14, 2019 at 22:05 | history | answered | ChrisW♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |